To feel glad/relieved Ireland is voting through Abortion Bill

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Its only a bare minimum - in the case of a woman's life being threatened - but it is also a massive sea change, on this sensitive issue. The vote in the Lower House was 127:31.

(Mary Kenny wrote very interestingly in the Times about it - saying that although the Church has played a role, much of the opposition was to do with Ireland's fear of "depopulation". Partly because of Ireland's history - famine, mass emigration. But also due to a rural pro-natalist mindset. In agricultural communities another child is "another pair of hands". In cities, another child is "another mouth to feed".)

*simply responding to Maryz's point about not talking about late abortion.

Skylit, I don't think you can have it both ways really. It seems a bit hypocritical to me.

How is it hypocritical?

Saying that you don't think adopted children's lives aren't worthwhile because they're standing in front of you so to speak while supporting the idea of abortion to term for a woman who does not want her child. Would you be able to face those people and tell them that you think their mother should have been allowed to abort them?

There's a big support network in the US (there may be others in the US) who have survived attempted abortion. Would you tell them that you think their mother was perfectly entitled to try to stop them being born?

I'd say to any person, adopted or not, that their mother had the right to abort them. That's because I believe in a woman's right to choose whether to proceed with a pregnancy or not.

My demonising point was not directed at you, Maryz.

Lovely skyler. Nice to think that someone else should have control over whether or not I'm allowed to live.

MaryZ, I think some of us already feel that the middle ground compromise is in place.

None of my peers think that the middle ground compromise is in place. Far, far from it in fact.

That's your opinion MaryZ and squoosh. Many are satisfied with the 'if the woman's life is in danger' clause and some don't even agree with that including the threat of suicide.

Actually no, it's not my 'opinion', it's a statement of fact as to the beliefs of people in my social group.

Even my 70 year old mother's opinion has shifted on this matter in recent years. Progress indeed.

Maryz

Do you believe your dd would know more people who have had an abortion if you lived in the UK?

Are you saying because its legal in the UK more women have abortions?

The amount of Irish women who travel to the UK for abortion is IMO much higher than statistics show.
Many women I know personally gave a UK address.

We can't pretend women don't travel but as far as some pro life are concerned "that's all right jack just not on our door step"

How is a complete inability to get an abortion in Ireland " a fair compromise" or a middle ground.

Anyway I think we should stop engaging with bumbley so she can get back to trolling the antenatal choices board and telling women who have booked abortions how wrong they are. I happened to come across a few last night before I was so disgusted I had to log out

No MaryZ, because currently a woman can have an abortion if her life is in danger so that's not being anti abortion in all circumstances.

Koba, I have done nothing of the sort! I know which thread you are talking about (it actually got moved to antenatal choices - I don't go 'trolling' in there) and I did not say anything to the OP about her decision being wrong.

A good friend of mine met his Irish wife when she was in the UK procuring an abortion. They are now happily married with 3 children of their own.

A very, very happy outcome of an abortion.

She can gave an abortion if her life is in danger? Tell that to Savitas husband.
Jog on.

Well then I guess they are glad that she had to travel for her abortion then slug. So you would support keeping things the way they are to further future matchmaking possibilities then?