To feel glad/relieved Ireland is voting through Abortion Bill

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Its only a bare minimum - in the case of a woman's life being threatened - but it is also a massive sea change, on this sensitive issue. The vote in the Lower House was 127:31.

(Mary Kenny wrote very interestingly in the Times about it - saying that although the Church has played a role, much of the opposition was to do with Ireland's fear of "depopulation". Partly because of Ireland's history - famine, mass emigration. But also due to a rural pro-natalist mindset. In agricultural communities another child is "another pair of hands". In cities, another child is "another mouth to feed".)

But to afford it respect you have it over rule the rights of the woman carrying it, that is wrong!

Politics and majority rule has no place in the issue of abortion and a woman's right to bodily autonomy, it is a basic human right.

I know you don't agree with me mad but it is your opinion that it is wrong.

From the same article in case of any confusion

More than one in four people in Northern Ireland support a woman?s right to choose on abortion, an exclusive Belfast Telegraph poll has revealed.
One in 4, so again MOST people do not support a woman's right to choose!!

Er, you do the maths. You've omitted the 18% who wish abortion to be available in cases of rape or incest - which is a liberalisation of the current position. It's 26.9% who wish the law to remain as it is. I'm not sure why you can't grasp this - it's clear as day here

Er no its the human right convention that its wrong as well.

You have the right to your bodily autonomy so choose not to have an abortion, no one has the right to dictate to other women what they do.

And 26.5 want the law tightened!

Ok, so some of you are of the opinion that abortion is wrong or on demand is wrong, whatever. But what no-one ever answers is this: Why do you think that your opinion has any place in my uterus?

Anyone?

Look I have said all along that right to choose is not what most people want here:
I have proved my point, I have shown facts, I think I have made it clear that MOST people here do not want abortion other than special circumstances to be legalized here.
To those of you who still want to argue against the simple facts, fine go ahead. Again I am not saying abortion is right or wrong, simply that most people in this county want the law to stay as it is.
What is the point of a democracy if it does not go on majority vote?
I am not anti English btw, I am anti people forcing their options on others and stating they are superior and more civilized because most people here, do not have the same opinions that you do.

I wonder that as well kobay

The irony of NornIronMum giving out about people ''forcing their options on others"!

norn, why should it go to a democratic vote though? I refer to my post above.

Koba, every law starts out as someone's opinion.

Anti people forcing their opinion... Get happy to force people to continue a pregnancy they dont want... Bit contradictory.

That doesn;t answer me, bumbley.

I personally know many Irish women that don't.

And women can be mysoginistic being female doesn't preclude that.

Well why stop at your uterus? Why should anyone's opinion dictate how you should behave in any situation? That's what laws do.

Irish Anglophobia often co-exists with Anglocentrism, Chunderella.

Laws dictate what we do to others, and not, generally what we do to ourselves. How would you feel if there was a law against you cutting your hair, or having plastic surgery, or getting contraception, or against you having a baby when you wanted one? Would you say, oh its the law, fair enough?

Still not answering though, just obfuscating with some straw men.

Skyler, please explain in detail how in anyway I am forcing my opinion on anyone? Have I said its right? Wrong? Have I said you must do as I say?
Have I said I think I am superior to you because I don't believe in it?
Have I said I am, and my county is more civilized because its not legal here?
I have simply stated the facts, it is not what most people here want! That is the truth of the matter, what I believe does not come in to it, nor what you believe so pease have respect, I think that is what is lacking here, respect for other people's options, other people's countries and views and cultures.

Laws dictate social convention and regulate behavior that may harm others. Me having an abortion does not harm you.

A fetus is not a person, it is not recognized aa such and cannot ave rights over a living woman.

Also, if the majority was all that ever mattered, we'd still have legal slavery. You'd be fine with that though, because its the law, right?