To say why not use IVF to choose the sex of a baby?

[Poppycattlepetal]

If people could save up for the IVF required, just don't see who else's business is it if they have a boy or a girl baby, really?

It seems U that we are not legally allowed to try for this in Britain. Clearly, we'd not all choose boys. See this mother of five sons in the Indy today: www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ban-on-sex-selection-of-ivf-embryos-is-not-justified-says-ethicist-8683940.html

It is allowed in US to do this, and you don't hear of a population imbalance over there. Just what seems like an incannily high proportion of celebrities who have twins, one of each!

I do get the issues about things being very different in other countries where there can be a cultural pressure to have sons of course. And i'm only talking about methods used before pregnancy begins. And obviously this would have to be genuinely freely chosen. Just feel that as the majority in the UK doesn't share any particular preference, why not let the people who do really mind, have the choice?

Oh I think I got one!

I need a child of each gender because I desperately need to pass on the knowledge of both how to keep a penis in tip top condition AND a vagina.

Can't do that without one of each!

Sorry I have boys and girls- they differ and not in a pink/ blue way.

You think they don't,I do.I have both so sorry won't be bullied into your point of view.

agree entirely with buttercat on this.

People do sometimes want a daughter and it has nothing to do with shopping, painting nails or spa days. Just as the longing for a baby can't always be out into words, nor can the longing for a particular gender. It doesn't mean the gender you have aren't loved and adored.

It actually makes me feel sick that there are people who think that raising a girl is intrinsically different to raising a boy.

All children are individuals. Gender is a tiny aspect of the whole fucking person.

And the fact is as gender selection hurts nobody it will happen- thankfully just like 3 parent IVF.

Yes children differ as htye at individuals, you may attribute those differences to their gender, that does not mean that is why they are different.'they differ because they are individuals regardless of gender.

BUTTER CAN YOU FUCKING READ?

EVERYONE IS SAYING EACH CHILD IS INDIVIDUAL.

We know your fucking kids are different...it because they are different not because of gender!

If you feel sick you need to get a life.

6 no 7 posts in a row saying difference is due to far more than gender and butter is still arguing against all kids being the same....

fuck me

Calm down dear.

how droll.

There really should be a theory test as well as the practical....

butter

I don't think it will.

3 parent ivf is being introduced for a very valid reason.

Gender selective ivf is pandering to the whims and wants of selfish people - unlikely to ever be available on the NHS.

Feel free to hunt me down and say I told you so should it turn out I am incorrect though.

Make that: Pandering to the whims and wants of selfish ignorant people...

Not on the NHS, nobody is suggesting that. I do think it will be legalised though, as a money making venture if nothing else. People pay thousands to go abroad when they could be spending the money here.

They havent banned the 12 week gender scan either even though they must know it is used as gender selection.

Unless you are actively changing a nappy there is no difference in parenting male or female children except the differences you put there.

If you need to be able to dress your baby in pink frilly frocks then feel free to do it to a son should you have one...turns out they don't actually explode on contact with pink or dresses...as 5mad will back me up on!

Ironic how you are the one being called ignorant butter..

It will be common practice soon. Well done for going for it, and Im glad it worked

I think the 12 week gender scan may go out of the window at some point to be honest. There is already an awareness of it being used in by people from some cultures,living in the UK, as a gender selection tool.

Finding out the gender of your unborn child is largely unnecessary unless there are genetic issues involved anyway.

It IS ignorant to think that raising children of different genders will be a more different experience than raising two children of the same gender.

There is plenty of evidence to show that point of view is incorrect so it is ignorant to continue to believe it to be true.

"Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).[1] The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts."

Not just "some cultures"!

Plenty of white british people who want the opposite gender do it too, because its cheaper than PGD. Its been around for years now.

Will they also ban 16 week babybond scans? Or private amnio/CVS? No way

Rubbish. Theres plenty of actual people who will tell you that their girls are nothing like their boys

Amnio's really aren't the same as using gender scans as a step towards gender selective abortions now are they.

It is more prevalent in some cultures, males are significantly more favoured in those cultures. I'm not saying it doesn't happen to varying degrees across the board but it is fact it happens more re some cultures than others.

Goodtouch

I said cultures - one can be white and British and not be of the same culture as the white person standing next to you.

Oohh you know what really would be a different parenting experience?

Raising a smart kid and a thick kid.

I'm pretty sure my parenting skills are better suited to smart kids...so I'll be aborting any children I conceive that aren't going to be smart enough....

I don't know why I want a smart kid...it's a yearning that is hard to explain....

good I refer you to my definition of ignorance.

When people do actual research (as opposed to listening to people waffling about their kids being SO SO different on a forum) they find that there is as much intrinsic difference between individuals of the same sex as individuals of different sexs. The vast majority of difference you see in boys and girls in western society is due to imposed conditioning.

If you dress you girls and boys differently and treat them differently from birth then guess what! they are different. Doesn't mean they were born that way....

Alis - Sure but you can have an amnio at a private clinic purely to find out the gender. Which is what people would do if 12 week gender scans were banned.

I honestly dont think it happens any more in muslim communities. Its just its more suspicious if a muslim couple pay for a early scan.