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To feel very sorry for Raffaele Sollecito?

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MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 10:36

He was interviewed on that turgid telly programme Daybreak this morning. He has a re-trial hanging over his head and says he doesn't know how much longer he can go on.

I'm in the 'they weren't involved' camp, but even if I wasn't, he was acquitted of the crime he was accused of. Surely it isn't right to dangle this over his head forever. Imagine living with that. Must be awful.

I remarked that I felt sorry for him to another parent this morning who was discussing it and she said "Well your sympathy is misplaced." Hmm I don't think that I am being U in feeling sympathy for him, or Amanda Knox.

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Wuldric · 01/07/2013 22:18

I think you will find that i have thrown no insults.

This thread is all wrong, on so many levels. Partisan siding with 'innocent' victims, identifying with people because they are young white and middleclass. Happy to blame the black guy even though it was clear that no one person could have committed the crime ...

This thread started with someone telling the OP that her sympathy was misplaced. I think the OP's sympathies are beyond misplaced.

Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:20

Blood was found in seven locations in the small bathroom that Knox shared with Meredith. [192]

? The Door Frame: blood was found on the right, inside door frame containing Meredith?s DNA. [192]
? The Light Switch Plate: Meredith?s blood was also found on the light switch. [192]
? The Sink: Blood was found in two places. There was dried blood near the faucet that had the DNA of Knox. [192] A streak from the left part of the sink toward the drain containing Meredith?s blood mixed with DNA of Knox.[192]
? The Bidet: Meredith?s blood was found mixed with the DNA of Knox.[192]
? The Toilet Lid: Meredith?s blood.[192]
? Q-tip Box: Meredith?s blood mixed with DNA of Knox.[192]
? The Bathmat: Three samples taken from the bathmat yielded Meredith?s blood.[192] The bloodstains on the bathmat were studied and compared with footprints taken of the right foot from Knox, Sollecito, and Guede, and found to be that of Sollecito. [351-355]

The defense did not contest the mixed DNA test results, but instead argued that they were irrelevant: that mixed DNA would be expected since Meredith and Knox lived in the same house and shared the small bathroom. [378] They suggested that Knox?s DNA could be exfoliated skin cells. Dr. Stefanoni (for the prosecution) testified that exfoliated skin cells are keratinized and contain no DNA. [202]

The court concluded that Knox? DNA became mixed with Meredith?s blood from vigorous scrubbing of the hands and feet, and that this is how the mixed DNA sampled came to be found in the sink and the bidet.[279]

DNA testing cannot, by itself, determine when biological material has been deposited, or in the case of mixed DNA, which was deposited first or whether it was simultaneous. [211] However, the court noted that Knox told the court in her answer to questioning that the bathroom was clean when she left the house on the afternoon of November 1.[278]

The court concluded that Meredith?s killers had gotten blood on their hands and elsewhere on their bodies, and that they needed to clean off the blood. Accordingly, they tracked blood on their feet to the small bathroom, where Meredith?s blood was transferred to the doorframe and light switch plate when they turned the light on in order to use the bathroom.[279] Sollecito tracked Meredith?s blood into the bathroom, leaving a partial print of his right foot in blood.[379]

Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:22

The footprint on the bathmat was partial, missing the heel. [339] Based on the dimensions of the big toe, the plantar arch, and the shape and location of various ?bumps?, Inspectors Rinaldi and Boemia concluded that the print was made in Meredith?s blood by Sollecito?s right foot, that it was consistent with Sollecito?s wider foot and inconsistent with Guede?s longer, narrower foot, and well as being inconsistent with Knox.[339-342]

MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 22:26

Oh here we are, I'm racist now too...

Pfffffft.

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Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:35

Stefanoni and Garofano both say that there was an abundant amount (relatively speaking) of Amanda?s blood in the bathroom washbasin, and to a lesser extent the bidet. Whereas most of Amanda?s blood in the bathroom was mixed with Meredith?s, the blood on the washbasin tap was Amanda?s alone. Both of a quality and quantity to discount menstrual (from washed knickers) or bleeding from ear piercing. Their conclusion was that Amanda bled fairly profusely though perhaps briefly at some stage.

Wuldric · 01/07/2013 22:35

What interests me about this thread is not so much the facts of this case, but why some middle-aged women are prepared to defend potential murderers. To the extent of putting their money towards it. I wonder if it is a symptom of this

Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:37

I agree wuldric. It is very odd, regardless of the facts of the case

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Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:43

?the DNA of Raffaele Sollecito on Meredith?s bra-clasp in her locked bedroom;

?the almost-entire naked footprint of Raffaele on a bathmat that in no way fits that of the other male in this case ? Rudy Guede;

?the fact that Raffaele?s own father blew their alibi that they were together in Raffaele?s flat at the time of the killing with indisputable telephone records;

?the DNA of Meredith Kercher on the knife in Raffaele?s flat which Raffaele himself sought to explain as having been from accidentally ?pricking? Meredith?s hand in his written diary despite the fact Meredith had never been to his flat (confirmed by Amanda Knox);

?the correlation of where Meredith?s phones were found to the location of Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guedes?s flats;

?the computer records which show that no-one was at Raffaele?s computer during the time of the murder despite him claiming he was using that computer;

?Amanda?s DNA mixed with Meredith Kercher?s in five different places just feet from Meredith?s body;

?the utterly inexplicable computer records the morning after the murder starting at 5.32 am and including multiple file creations and interactions thereafter all during a time that Raffaele and Amanda insist they were asleep until 10.30am;

?the separate witnesses who testified on oath that Amanda and Raffaele were at the square 40 metres from the girls? cottage on the evening of the murder and the fact that Amanda was seen at a convenience store at 7.45am the next morning, again while she said she was in bed;

?the accusation of a completely innocent man by Amanda Knox;

? the fact that when Amanda Knox rang Meredith?s mobile telephones, ostensibly to check on the ?missing? Meredith, she did so for just three seconds - registering the call but making no effort to allow the phone to be answered in the real world

?the knife-fetish of Raffaele Sollecito and his formal disciplinary punishment for watching animal porn at his university ? so far from the wholesome image portrayed;

?the fact that claimed multi-year kick-boxer Raffaele apparently couldn?t break down a flimsy door to Meredith?s room when he and Amanda were at the flat the morning after the murder but the first people in the flat with the police who weren?t martial artists could;

?the extensive hard drug use of Sollecito as told on by Amanda Knox;

?the fact that Amanda knew details of the body and the wounds despite not being in line of sight of the body when it was discovered;

?the lies of Knox on the witness stand in July 2009 about how their drug intake that night (?one joint?) is totally contradicted by Sollecito?s own contemporaneous diary;

?the fact that after a late evening?s questioning, Knox wrote a 2,900 word email home which painstakingly details what she said happened that evening and the morning after that looks highly like someone committing to memory, at 3.30 in the morning, an extensive alibi;

?the fact that both Amanda and Raffaele both said they would give up smoking dope for life in their prison diaries despite having apparently nothing to regret;

?the fact that when Rudy Guede was arrested, Raffaele Sollecito didn?t celebrate the ?true? perpetrator being arrested (which surely would have seen him released) but worried in his diary that a man whom he said he didn?t know would ?make up strange things? about him despite him just being one person in a city of over 160,000 people;

?the fact that both an occupant of the cottage and the police instantly recognised the cottage had not been burgled but had been the subject of a staged break-in where glass was on top of apparently disturbed clothes;

?that Knox and Sollecito both suggested each other might have committed the crime and Sollecito TO THIS DATE does not agree Knox stayed in his flat all the night in question;

?the bizarre behaviour of both of them for days after the crime;

?the fact that cellphone records show Knox did not stay in Sollecito?s flat but had left the flat at a time which is completely coincidental with Guede?s corroborated presence near the girl?s flat earlier in the evening;

?the fact that Amanda Knox?s table lamp was found in the locked room of Meredith Kercher in a position that suggested it had been used to examine for fine details of the murder scene in a clean up;

?the unbelievable series of changing stories made up by the defendants after their versions became challenged; Knox?s inexplicable reaction to being shown the knife drawer at the girl?s cottage where she ended up physically shaking and hitting her head.

Snazzywaitingforsummer · 01/07/2013 22:43

Seriously, wuldric, you think you aren't saying anything insulting? Even in your 22:35 post?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 22:43

Go and search my posts in the subject in In The News, around the time if the acquittal.

I suppose my compassion for AK is symbolic of being a secret lesbian with a penchant for acquitted killers.

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OliviaYouCannotBSeriousMumsnet · 01/07/2013 22:46

AHem

Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:46

where do you get that wuldric is suggesting something sexual???

you think those women start 'relationships' with death row in-mates because of sex??

MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 22:47

She knows that she's being insulting and goady. She hasn't the bottle to be blatant about it so she is being a snidey twat.

Go on, report me again. You can dish out but can't take back, Wuldrick.

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NicholasTeakozy · 01/07/2013 22:49

The original thread earned me my first ever deletion on MN. :) Anybody who thinks RS & AK are guilty is an idiot. FACT.

Why were their phones turned off? Simple. She'd unexpectedly been given the night off by her boss (Lumumba iirc) and wisely used her time to fuck her new boyfriend's brains out and they turned their phones off so as not to be disturbed.

They obviously cleaned Merediths bedroom so well that they obliterated all traces of their DNA but left copious amounts of DNA belonging to Meredith and Rudy Guede. That was sneaky. Angry

There is no evidence that would get them in court in this country. None at all.

Marms I totally agree, Raffaele has been hard done by, he's been largely sidelined by the media due to him not being Amanda Knox gorgeous. And she is gorgeous. If he gets found guilty then justice really is a banana.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 22:49

Have you read the article, Boomba? It is entitled 'Women Who Date Death Row Prisoners' so what do you think it is that she is suggesting?

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Curioustiger · 01/07/2013 22:50

Boomba, I didn't know a great deal about the case and have tried not to speculate (mentioning Amanda knox's defamation case as a matter of fact, trying not go beyond that). But what you have posted is chilling. Is that from a book or is that your own synopsis? Like many of us, I struggle to know which evidence has been discredited.

Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:51

he's been largely sidelined by the media due to him not being Amanda Knox gorgeous. And she is gorgeous

Confused
MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 22:51

Oh his, Nick : D

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MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 22:51

Oh hi, even...

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Boomba · 01/07/2013 22:52

yes marmalade do you think women 'date' death-row prisoners for the sex?

GoshAnneGorilla · 01/07/2013 22:52

I would agree that tabloid reporting has a huge, huge amount to answer for.

The way the UK press lacks all restraint if it's a foreign case is completely unacceptable, particularly in an era of online news. It will come to the stage when certain cases will not be able to have jury trials, because there will be no way of finding jurors who haven't been influenced by press coverage.

Although, in the Oscar Pistorius case, the lack of a jury trial seems to have encouraged the media to behave in a more salacious manner still Hmm

MarmaladeTwatkins · 01/07/2013 22:56

Erm, no. Where did I say that?

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Portofino · 01/07/2013 22:56

Stop all the hysterical stuff and bullet point the clear proved evidence, forensic, circumstantial? The stuff that wasn't disproved by the court I mean.

NicholasTeakozy · 01/07/2013 22:56

My point is Boomba that all the media focus has been on Amanda Knox purely based on her looks. They're innocent. Your post contains no proof, merely conjecture. Look at the original thread where proof is provided by many of their innocence.

Hi Marms. Lovely to 'see' you. Haven't seen you for aaages. :o

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