To get annoyed when other women say "I'm not a feminist"

[Nickabilla]

As if it's a dirty word and a shameful thing to be? I hear it every now and then and always question it. Someone said it today and I'm annoyed again.

Do some women not realise that women didn't used to be allowed to go to university, get divorced, own property or vote?

Rant over.

Someone I know told me I'm not a feminist,.because I questioned why she tries to persuade her dd not to like pink, and stereotypical girlie things, and because I chose to be a SAHM.

Now I believe in equality, and freedom to choose. so If a girl wants to wear pink fairy wings, she should be allowed. Likewise a boy should. And if a girl wants to play football, or do karate she should be allowed.

So does that make me a feminist?

They can cope to a degree. But choose not to . Their choice.

But yes, there are woman farmers. Working just about always, with their men.

Look up structural inequality, yams.

But there are thousand of ways for women to bust that. Some of them I have put on this thread.
I have said all I need to say on this thread. Goodnight all.

But it's not as easy for women to 'bust' inequality as it is for men to just exist in a society that defaults to them - is it?

That's why there's a fight for equality.

Know the discussion has moved on but I am the highest earner in my family by a mile but do more than 50% of the childcare (I have a part time post). When I take more hours, I will have to pay for childcare to cover the loss of my input (and will still be doing more than DP).

True equality would mean millions of females in all those jobs I mentioned.

There will be some men who wont like that

True equality would mean that male or female have equal opportunity to do any job. Doesn't happen.

If there was anything even close to gender equality in the UK then 24 out 25 prime ministers last century wouldn't have been men.

If there was anything even close to social equality in the UK then a disproportionate number of them wouldn't have gone to Eton.

Ineedayoninickname, yes, I'd say you are a feminist. Feminists want equality, that's all. Nowt to be confused about.

running. I have beem having a think overnight.
And I realise that you are giving a somewhat wimpy view of women.
You are implying that because there are male dominated industries, that the wimpy women recoil from choosing them and entering them.

Well, if that is the case, they need to "man up".

And, perhaps, that is part of some of the real reason why women are not at the top of jobs across all sectors.

'True equality would mean that male or female have equal opportunity to do any job. Doesn't happen.'

Say that to the successful women who HAVE made it (on their own merit). There are jobs that women simply do not have the physical capability for, but still they're shoehorned into those jobs in the name of 'equality'.

If I was PM I'd insist that feminists do all the really hard physical labour jobs, such as construction or roadbuilding or shipbuilding. I'd insist on women representing 50% of ALL jobs, not just the cushy high powered ones. Just for a year, and then see how much the calling for 50% representation continues. I'm guessing there'd be silence!

80% of women are farmers where on earth do you get that figure from?
As a woman, if I had a menial job I would choose indoor cleaning above being on the dustcarts or down the sewage works - I think most women would. I haven't seen an outcry on why can't more women go down the sewers.
Men are just stronger for some jobs. When I took part in a mock fire evacuation I was very pleased to be carried by a burly man who lifted me easily. My neighbour's mother had carers in- one day she was sent a man- who in their right minds thinks a 92yr old woman wants to be washed by a man? She sent him away to be told it would be 2hours before she got anyone else. My neighbour cancelled the carers and does it herself.

Very few people, men or women, want top jobs(which is just as well as there are very few top jobs). I would hate one - it would take away my life. I agree that we need more women in them but it is hardly going to be the aim of everyone. Lots of women just want a part time job to fit in with their life. A top job and lots of money wouldn't make up for me all the things that I would lose.

A top job would be like a prison sentence to me- something you might put up with for a few years to earn the money to retire from it and start living.

LMFAO at "cushy high powered jobs" lolololol

Idiot.

Isn't the door thing a red herring? People should hold doors open for other people out of politeness.

It depends on why the door is being opened, yes it is polite, particularly if someone has a baby in a buggy, or looks like they will struggle.

There used to be a TV programme (think it was an OU one) and the opening sequence is a man opening the door for a woman, as she goes past him he turns and letches after her bum.

That is the only reason he opened the door.

If I was PM I'd insist that feminists do all the really hard physical labour jobs, such as construction or roadbuilding or shipbuilding. I'd insist on women representing 50% of ALL jobs, not just the cushy high powered ones. Just for a year, and then see how much the calling for 50% representation continues. I'm guessing there'd be silence!

Would you force men to work as carer's, hairdressers, cleaners, shop workers, nannies...

Thank you Prom for that eloquent post .. At least we might understand why we disagree

I mean, we as in INAFs and feminists

I am def a feminist

'Idiot.'

Right back atcha.