Jeremy Forrest verdict - aibu to be confused?

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Yep, I don't think even his own parents could deny he's a massive, hideous scumbag with no impulse control - but how can he have been found guilty of abduction when the girl he had an affair with said it was her idea to go to France and she went willingly?

Can somebody legal shed some light?

I think we have a bridge dweller amongst us...

To me, it's just a forbidden love story.

May I suggest counselling?

Drinking/Smoking/eating excessively are all actions directed towards the self. They harm the self. Forrest projected his harm onto others. And he caused harm to his school, other pupils and to the teaching profession too.

SomeDizzy i have PM'ed you. And thank you for your post.

Lots of us are foolish and stupid and make silly decisions from time to time. But most of us tend to know which particular silly decisions are and absolute no-go in our particular jobs.

A heart surgeon knows he must not drink a bottle of vodka the night before a serious operation because his hangover could cost a life. It doesn't matter how jolly the party, how easy it is to get carried away, how drunk other people are getting- he knows he can't afford it. So if there is any risk he'll get carried away, he doesn't go to that party.

My dh who used to work on building sites knew he couldn't afford any minor carelessness about checking the shoring because it could cost lives. Other people in less responsible jobs could afford to be sloppy about details, he couldn't. So he took precautions against it by following a strict procedure.

And a teacher knows he cannot afford any carelessness in his relationships to his pupils. So he takes precautions against it.

DownstairsMixUp Fri 21-Jun-13 10:08:32
"Jesus Christ. I hope you aren't in the teaching profession Cory, your comments almost come across like you are supporting this disgusting man."

Are you mixing me up with somebody else?

I was quoting AVR2 and then pointing out that grooming is a different type of coercion, that you don't need to pin somebody down by force to be abusing them. S/he seems to think that as long as you don't actually hit the child over the head it's all right to have sex with them.

AVR2, it doesn't matter if she'd taken to flashing him while wearing a pair of lacy knickers with the words "Sir I want you" picked out in red sequins on it. Teenage girls get crushes on all sorts of people - that's what they do, it's part of their physical development and is entirely age appropriate. She was a child, with all the immaturity that entails, he was a teacher in a position of trust, who groomed her over months and years - that's the bigger picture.

for Dizzy for that last post.

I am shocked at some of the attitudes on this thread. I would imagine some of the apologists have dds and am wondering how they reconcile their thoughts with being a parent to a teenage daughter?

The whiff of blame towards the victim in this crime is so 'off' for MN that I'm bewildered. There is so much work to do in enlightening our society and that makes me sad.

Just catching up from last night.

AVR2 thank you for your comments. i agree with most of what you say and you've explained what I wanted to say too. I really really do not like the word 'cunt' being used to describe him!! Isn't this kind of ironic (not sure if this is the right word?) given that we're on a mumsnet thread about abuse of women!!

He's certainly not a paedophile either.

I am agog at anyone calling this a "forbidden love story" what the fucking fuck?!

This nasty waste of oxygen has abuser written all over him and I am disgusted that anyone would defend his actions! They might still be "in love" right now but I really really hope this poor girl sees the light sooner rather than later and kicks him to the curb. He has blatantly found out all her issues, her problems etc etc and is exploiting them the best way he knows how. The worst part? He's basically gotten away with it. Yes he has been found guilty in a court of law but he's been forgiven by his family, still has this silly misguided girl's love and can walk out of prison (probably sooner than he should do!) and rebuild his life with minimum fuss. The same can not be said for his victim or his wife.

As for all this bollocks about "she's not that innocent", I dont give a fuck about her "innocence". The point is she could have declared her love for him while straddling him wearing nothing but a smile and he (the ADULT, the TEACHER!) should have been the one to put a stop to it. It was his moral and legal obligation to. I do think he chased her a fair bit though from what I've read.

So sad it apprears the girl is now astranged from her own mother really hope they can rebuild this relationship one day.

But if they are professionals and persist in carrying on breaking the rules after having been warned by their manager, and if their actions caused harm to a vulnerable person, then most of us would not find them that deserving of pity.

What would you think of a surgeon who kept operating with dirty hands after having been warned by his hospital manager? That he was just being a silly human being and if your aunt died from a post-operative infection, that was just one of those things?

That Bangladeshi factory collapsed after warnings had been given and nobody had acted on them. I don't think most of the relatives are inclined to shrug their shoulders and go "oh well, human beings do this sort of thing all the time".

It's interesting how some people are so blinkered

Oh, isn't it just.

AVR2 what are these shades of grey?

Oh it's the rapey shades of grey game

she was a child - a vulnerable child - he was an adult in a position of trust and power

nope seems black and white to me - sorry

Can we stop giving attention to the poster trying to shit stir?