To feel a little sorry for the 7 children benefits Mum.

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Is just seems like another bit of benefit bashing to me.

I know she shouldn't have had children she couldn't afford, but what hope of improving her lot???

Oh and we have a daughter with a disability so do have hospital costs etc, and get lowest rate DLA.

The longer I live the more I realize that humans are fundamentally romantic, making decisions without thinking of consequence which probably makes sense because nothing would get done if we worried about the future. This this includes having children even if we're unsure that we can support them or fund higher education etc. I don't think she can be lambasted for that - there are a lot of mums on the larger family threads on mn who are struggling or haven't really thought about how they might send their kids to college.

That said the difference is that the majority of people have to find a solution on their own and make sacrifices. The public are tired of the bonkers cradletograve reliance on government that some people consider the norm.

Do I feel sorry for her? No. But I do feel sorry for her kids. She actually seems quite dim and growing up in a one-person family with a dimwit for a mother will be a tough grind.

Yes Fellatio, there are local authority grants available. They are not means tested. As I said up further up, they tend to reduce the resale value of the property, rather than increase it.

The rest is very much dependent upon earnings etc, but generally speaking the 'intentionally homeless' cases are put before committee if in local authority housing, so it's decided on a case by case basis. I have to admit, I do not know how this works with other housing providers.

As a parent of a disabled child I am trying to get my head round the idea of envying somebody who is in the same situation but hasn't got an income and money in the bank.

To think that somehow I should feel sorry for myself because when dd needed help I was able to get her what she needed straightaway with my own money rather than have to wait for months and maybe years while her condition deteriorated and the wheels of the council machinery ground slowly to a halt.

I am supposed to feel hard done by.

And for the record I do not get or claim any rate of DLA. I call that being one of the lucky ones.

Many people are extremely careful to ensure they don't have an unwanted pregnancy.
No one needs to have a child unless, at some point along a nine month journey, they actively choose to continue to do so.

And many people have contraception failures.

Short of abstaining from sex altogether, you can never ensure you won't have an unwanted pregnancy. I'm currently pregnant, not for the first time, despite never having missed a pill. My GP changed my prescription after my first pregnancy, and I again became pregnant on my new prescription.

Abortion isn't an option for some people.

Of course you can ensure you don't have an unwanted pregnancy. It's called sterilisation, it's completely free and you or the male can have it done.

Abortion is an option for everyone. Some people choose not to avail themselves of it which is their right but please don;t expect others who work hard enough as it is to pay for that free choice.

bythe and you chose to have the baby even though you didn't choose to become pregnant.

All choices.

Ahh, back to the feckless poor shouldn't be having children financed by you. They are not financed by you, or your taxes. They are financed by governmental help. Your taxes would remain the same if the welfare state were demolished, the same if the nhs were not free, it would be redistributed, that is all.

Who spoke about force, beer? I think I used the word choice several times .

dawn no idea what you are blithering on about there, sorry! I was merely responding to the fact that every child is a choice ( see that word again, beer) rich, poor, scrounger or saint.

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BeauNidle. many of your comments are offensive and vile at times, I hope you don't allow your dc to hear you behave in such an anti social way. I think its a case of the kettle calling the pot black with your comments about full blown car crash. You are really not very nice.

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The offensive and vile one is back.
Car crash comment was in response to the poster who said we are all an accident.
Offensive to break down the figures and see that at present she gets £16 per hour
reducing to £12.30 per hour.
If it is vile to break down the facts to look a little closely and discover she is currently getting 2.5 times the minimum wage, and this will reduce to only twice the minimum wage then yes, I am a vile person.

I maybe not a nice person in your view, but my dc have had it instilled in them from a very early age that you make your own way in life with regard to finance. You want something you go out and earn it. DD had first part time job at 15, and left education precisely 3 weeks ago after her A levels and started work the following day in a full time job. She is 18, earns her own money, owns and runs her own car.

DS is 16. Directly after his 16th birthday he started his first part time job.

We are not in an area where you can walk into a job either. Searching, applying and physcially putting yourself out there has succeeded in these results.

The same will apply to Ds2 when he is old enough. We have a work ethic in our house. And thus far, I would say we have managed a pretty good job.

If I am not a nice person, or a vile and unpleasant one as you say, then I am more than happy for your to call me that. It bothers me not

Abortion isn't an option for some people

In which case belt and braces is advisable. If emergency meansures are not an option, then a higher degree of preventative measures become necessary.

Contraception can and does fail. However it is possible to acheive both a low birth rate and a below average abortion rate where there is a culture of caution towards conception.

So are we saying that children are responsible for their parents' choice to have them?

How many hours a week does she work, Beau?
If she works the hours that I do, that puts her on £5.15 an hour. Not above the minimum wage. Oh, and for that less than minimum wage, there are no breaks, no holiday pay, no holidays, in fact, it's seven days a week, every week.

I also suggest people take a look at Jake's breakdown, further back.
By the time you have paid rent and a percentage of council tax there isn't a great deal left.

You got that cheque book out yet, or still blathering on about what a sorry state this woman is in?
I have every empathy as I have said countless times on this thread if you care to read back, with people who need welfare. This particular woman has sufficient help. Yet for her, it is not enough.

Dawndonna your comment made me laugh: They are not financed by you, or your taxes. They are financed by governmental help.

Um, how do you think the government gets money? Do they just print it? I think the problem is that some people are totally removed from the reality of finances and actually think the government just has an endless pot.

to beer my parents told me to start a college fund for my kids as soon as I gave birth. They may not go to college but I'd like to ensure they can if they want. Some people just have lots of kids, cross their fingers and hope it will be okay - and it's the kids who suffer.