To feel a little sorry for the 7 children benefits Mum.

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Is just seems like another bit of benefit bashing to me.

I know she shouldn't have had children she couldn't afford, but what hope of improving her lot???

HOLLY BERRY BUSH. There is probably very little she could do unskilled in many areas, basically unemployable. She would almost certainly be sacked within a week of full time employment. Maybe you think the Goverment should have forced Labour because no one else will employ her anyway.

feegle-sorry for your horrible situation. Perhaps it would be best for you not to project your own experience on to this woman though as I am sure it cannot be helping you to have to relive such a terrible time

I keep coming back to you Ashoe, because I want you to show me proof that this woman has chosen this life!

And you show me proof that she didn't feegle?

I am a "lifestyle choice" benefits claimant at the moment. I CHOSE to go on to benefits when DS's needs became too much to mix with even part time work. A year on I have no regrets about this, it isn't easy and I have far less money than I did in employment but it's a choice I made after 18 months of agonising and playing around with fewer and fewer hours first.

It was a choice I made because I had NO other choice at that point.

jake-again I fully support any parent/carer who has to cope with a disabled child. My problem is not with this woman not working-she may well be a carer to her kids depending on what you read. I do have a problem with her whinging about how little she gets when the income she is afforded is more than 90% of people in this country.

Anyway this thread appears to be going round in circles although it has certainly been interesting. Good night all.

If the father is not contributing then that is bloody appalling

They earned enough for a mortgage though so apparently at one point they had enough to manage on one wage.

I have seen families with more children than this on one wage and paying a mortgage so we don't know that they could not afford them at that time.

I've completely turned my negative experience into a positive.

I've never asked, nor wanted, sympathy. Empathy is a completely different matter.

I'm a professional in support services. I work with and for vulnerable and hard to reach client groups and wouldn't be able to do my job if I hadn't come to terms with, dealt with and healed over my personal experiences.

I am an open book and I am able to support women in DA relationships, as well as support other vulnerable individuals because I have lived it, and I am proof positive that it can be overcome.

It is a patronising person who is sorry for me and who dares suggest I am projecting. I'm extremely insulted Ashoe.

I will say again and for the last time, I am offering a possible suggestion not a 'back story' but you can guarantee there 'is' some kind of back story.

I have yet to meet anyone who has been in my position who wants yours or anyone else's sympathy, so keep it.

The whole system is broken.

The minimum wage is too low to live on. The govt top up with housing benefit and tax credits. Landlords keep the cost of housing high because even if its awful you have to live somewhere and there isn't enough to go round. Landlords massively gain from housing benefit and low payers inc major companies like the supermarkets have their employees wages topped up by govt. It's all mental false accounting.

The bottom line is those children are here. They need a roof, clothes and food. There mum should be supported to help them because that is what's best for them and it also happens to be way cheaper than the care system.

Of course if we had enough social housing the bills for benefits would be much less. Families like like one are also quite rare and form a small amount of the overall welfare bill.

Fair enough, do her benefits include her housing benefit?

It sounds as though she has a case for the Discretionary Housing Payment as a Carer. Also she might well find that hr circumstances mean she is indeed entitled to have more room. I don't know, a six bedroom house is big though and tbh it would probably be cheaper to find some form of social housing for her.

Wow you really are very nasty feegle-I shall refrain from answering your comments any further as you clearly cannot have a civil discussion.

Their - there sorry, not typing carefully enough on my phone.

Ashoething Wed 12-Jun-13 20:29:00
"For some people it really is the life of riley usual but you just deliberately choose not to see that."

How many people do you know who are living the life of riley while caring for two children with SN severe enough to merit carer's allowance?

Thank you Getting and despite my best efforts for trying to offer some real insight and education, sometimes it's just too much of a complex issue for some people to even consider.

Instead, they find it easier to patronise and poo-poo.

Again cory-read the whole thread. I shall not be repeating myself but I have made my position on carers abundantly clear.

A SIX bed roomed house??
I have two teen/adult dds sharing one room, and Ds in a box room which takes his bed with storage drawers under it, and that's it!
And dh and I both work!

Right-really am off to bed now. Apologies if I pushed anyone buttons..

She would almost certainly be sacked within a week of full time employment. Maybe you think the Goverment should have forced Labour because no one else will employ her anyway.

Well now you mention it - yes.

So really that brings me back to the comment up the tread ""we need people to breed because their aren't enough youngsters"". So, again, children usually follow parental paths -exactly what use (hypothetically) would each of her 7 children be to society if they each produced another 7 who would inherit a welfare lifestyle choice?

Please just don't give me the 'shes too stupid uneducated to work' line - you don't need a degree to do very basic yet rewarding jobs. That train of thought is very demeaning to people who genuinely have LDs who do hold down jobs. And frankly if is she is too uneducated to hold down a rudimentary job, SS should have stepped in to protect her from sexual advances and pregnancies she couldn't understand the consequences of.

But this actually isn't the case is it? It's idle child bearing with no intention of working or supporting a family.

Nasty? Where?

Survivors of DA need no sympathy or patronising. Full stop.

My 5 DC share 2 big rooms. 3 DS in bunks, 2 DDs in a bunk. It's fine even with teenagers. But if this lady has a child with ODD and one with other problems, maybe they need their own rooms?

Holly - you hinted at bloody genocide so you have no respect here, on this matter!