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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think that parents should educate their children about animals?

152 replies

Alisvolatpropiis · 09/06/2013 00:41

In this case I refer to dogs.

Today I spent the afternoon at a friends. She has two young and lovely children. It was her birthday,various friends and their children were also present. I took along my very small Jack Russell,she's very sweet natured. Before I get jumped on - I am always very careful about introducing her to children,both dogs and children are unpredictable. So of course she was on her lead.

A family arrived the same time I did with three children in tow. One of the children showed an obvious aversion straight away, so I made sure she wasn't near him. The mum said "don't worry X, the dog is on it's lead". That's fine.

However everybody was in the garden and she deliberately sat her children as far away as possible. The three children were all obviously very nervous about the dog. Another mum commented that the three of them had never had much contact with dogs before. Of course my dog was on her lead, I had already noticed the children's discomfort.

But other children were petting her and enjoying it. She is ideal child size in terms of dogs. Am I being unreasonable to think that an opportunity was missed to introduce these children to what is a very common house pet in the UK?

I appreciate that some children/adults are simply frightened of dogs. It's a phobia for some on the same way spiders are for me. Or have had a terrible experience which has left them frightened.

But surely showing children how to behave around animals is a positive thing? The two things I was taught as a child about dogs were 1) don't touch unless invited 2) if a dog runs towards you - stand still. Training is obviously an absolute imperative if one is to a responsible dog owner. I just think educating children is also important.

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ITCouldBeWorse · 09/06/2013 09:04

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LtEveDallas · 09/06/2013 09:12

I think it was the friends party wasn't it? Not the child? So not necessarily balloons/games etc, and OP didn't know that there would be phobic children there, so in this case it would be the host that was BU.

Branleuse · 09/06/2013 09:13

I think its rude to take your dog to someone elses party.

ITCouldBeWorse · 09/06/2013 09:16

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ConfusedPixie · 09/06/2013 09:16

Re "if one trusts the owner", I don't trust dog owners. At all. There are too many with duds that misbehave our are not under control and too many who ignore you trying to explain why they need to remove their dog from a hild's face that I would rather automatically not trust the owner and be way of them and their dog than to trust that they can control their dog.

TrinityRhino · 09/06/2013 09:17

I get what you mean pixie but it makes me sad

MousyMouse · 09/06/2013 09:22

yabu
they don't want to touch dogs, so what.
I don't want my dc to touch dogs (or any other pets). we admire them from afar.

NarkyNamechanger · 09/06/2013 09:35

Yabu

Dogs and children are unpredictable and especially JR can be snappy little things. Why as a stranger would I trust you that your dog is ok around children?. I don't want my children touching dogs because they quite often lick their hands and worse, their face. Yuk.

In conclusion, my children aren't scared, they just don't like them and I accept that influence has come from me but I'm right

Fakebook · 09/06/2013 09:35

YABU. I know your dog is special to you, but not everyone likes dogs and you can't force a scared child to go and touch a dog.

Also, what is this thing about standing still when a dog runs towards you? I was told to do that when I was a child and I remember a dog pouncing on me and pushing me to the ground and then jumping over me a few times because I stood still. Amazingly it hasn't affected me and I'm ok to be around dogs.

PassTheTwiglets · 09/06/2013 09:37

YABVU. Firstly, I would never take a dog to a child's party! Several points here - the child may have had a phobia which is why the parent didn't bring them over. You've said that you know some people have phobias and maybe this was one. I have a dog phobia - how am I supposed to not pass that on? I try really hard not to show my fear to my children but when you are that scared of something, it's physically impossible to completely hide it. I don't like spiders but am not phobic about them and in that case I'm able to fake it - saying in a jolly voice oh look, a little spider! let's get him back out in the garden where he belongs..., whilst shuddering inside. But I can't fake it with dogs.

Also, how can you teach your child about how to behave around dogs if you don't know yourself?!

And lastly - it's impossible to get a frightened child to stand still when a dog is running at them. We might know that's the right thing to do but it's simply impossible. Think of a small child's height - would you stand still if an 8-ft spider was running towards you?!

HazleNutt · 09/06/2013 09:37

YANBU. Dogs are all around and you are not doing your DC any favours if you scream, scoop them up and cross the road every time you see one, telling them that dogs are ferocious filthy dangerous animals. Same applies to mice, spiders etc

Sirzy · 09/06/2013 09:39

But hazel that isn't what happened in the OPs case. The parents simply didn't encourage interaction and why should they?

Casey · 09/06/2013 09:44

YABU I love animals: we are members of RSPB and local wildlife trust and spend many many hours watching (or trying to watch) animals in the wild and supporting wildlife conservation projects.

However I do not like caged animals or keeping animals as domestic pets. I don't agree with it and it makes me very uncomfortable. We do not have and will never have pets of any description.

Now this is clearly an opinion that is very different from the majority in this country, but it is something I believe very strongly. So why should my children have to tolerate your pet at a party?

When our local sparrowhawk comes and takes one of the wild garden birds, we are delighted at the spectacle. When one of the local cats does so we are outraged and appalled.

littleducks · 09/06/2013 09:57

DS is weird about dogs, he takes an instant dislike to some and acts like he is scared. It seems to bear no relation to size or colour, quite often he will make a fuss over a little tiny thing but be quite happy with a huge menancing looking one.

Dog owners who say 'oh he is really friendly/he loves children' do not help, especially if its with a self indulgent smile as said dog is jumping up on you/pissing on kids sandcastle/sniffing at picnic food (all have happened to us).

saintlyjimjams · 09/06/2013 10:01

OP WAS ASKED TO BRING HER DOG BY THE PARTY HOST SO HER DD COULD SEE HIM

Sorry to shout but many people on this thread don't seem to have noticed that comment

saintlyjimjams · 09/06/2013 10:03

And Dallas is correct it was an ADULT'S party - so the dog was invited by the person whose birthday it was

chibi · 09/06/2013 10:10

i personally think having a pet of any kind is creepy and wrong,but i recognise that there are many others who think it is a good thing, so i have taught my children how to behave around dogs. particularly ill trained ones (we have loads of those around here)

TeapotsInJune · 09/06/2013 10:16

To be honest I think you were forcing the dog on people a bit by taking it with you. I have a dog but wouldn't take her to a little party as I'd assume there were people there who didn't like dogs much.

That said yanbu regarding how children behave around dogs; there's a lot of criticism on Mumsnet about dogs charging up to children. Mine wouldn't dream of doing that but by the same token I do expect children not to start screaming and running around her when we are walking. She is quite a nervous dog and that behaviour frightens her.

TeapotsInJune · 09/06/2013 10:17

Saintly - I didn't! Grin Massive apologies, OP!

lljkk · 09/06/2013 10:19

yanbu, I don't need to read the thread to know you are going to get flamed, though. Dogs are everywhere in society, I think it's irresponsible to not try very hard to teach one's children how to deal with them. Some kids have phobias, you still teach them by example to make their fears manageable and into a preference rather than a compulsion.

Quodlibet · 09/06/2013 10:31

Everyone should learn how to behave safely around animals.

It is dim, in my opinion, to say that because you have no interest in dogs/don't like them you shouldn't educate our children in how to behave around dogs.

You wouldn't say 'I don't like cars, so why should I have to teach my children how to behave around cars' or 'I am not interested in swimming, I shouldn't have to teach my children how to be safe around water'. These are all essential life skills.

People like the OP who have a well-trained dog that they keep under control, and who are alert to other people's discomfort around dogs are an asset in terms of providing a safe way for children to approach dogs WHEN THEY ARE READY TO and learn about how to behave safely around animals.

snooter · 09/06/2013 10:35

I'm not keen on dogs but am not frightened of them, tending just to ignore them. Son was frightened of them for a while after a couple of incidents. The first time we were on an empty beach in Jersey when a family arrived with a Doberman. It ran towards us at top speed, barking, they made no attempt to call it off & I ended up standing holding 16/12 toddler above my head while husband picked up a rock with which to defend us if necessary. It ran off, fortunately.

The second time, soon after, he was in his pushchair wearing shorts & an old lady's friendly old labrador licked him on the knee - bleeurgh, I hate being licked by dogs - he did too & was very upset about it.

Since then he has met friends who have dogs & has gradually become accepting & will interact with them, but is still nervous of dogs he doesn't know, even though he's now 15, especially if they come rushing up.

Morloth · 09/06/2013 11:48

I find many Mumsnet dog owners are a good example of why you can't trust people with what they say about their dogs.

Happily the leash laws are much stricter here so it isn't such a problem.

CelticPixie · 09/06/2013 12:13

Is it wrong that I find people who dislike animals a bit weird and odd?

PassTheTwiglets · 09/06/2013 12:17

I was very proud of my DH the other day - we were walking in the woods and a dog bounded up to us. We asked the owner politely to call the dog off and she responded "oh he's ok - he likes you!" to which my DH replied "yes but that's not the point - we don't like him" :o