To think that this advert for an live in au pair is grossly underpaid?

[salsmum]

I was just browsing on a job site and this advert came to my attention, AIBU to think that this is asking an awful lot of a potential au pair for £80 a week? and I thought carers were underpaid!.

x posts, but exactly the same thing gobbo!

What Gobbolinothewitchscat says about over-extending, exactly this i think.

'Truly rich folk don't live in semis in Wandsworth'

And this too, and that truly rich/posh folk don't treat their 'staff' like crap either.

Gobbolino I disagree that truly rich don't live in Wandsworth - there are several roads where the minimum house price is £2 million and one, in particular where they are between £3 and £9 million. And these are roads in view of Wandsworth Nick too.

They remind me if the worst kind if turds who used to turn up to my chalet when I was a chalet girl. Too tight to pay for a hotel but wanted the chalet to function as their own personal one

My best friend and I still piss ourselves about some of those characters -13 years later. Etched in our brains. One once gave me a tip of a used pair if moon boots (male) and two inches if Tia Maria.

Another gave me a handful of coppers. I gave it back to him. And told him to get himself a drink at the airport - if he could afford it

I did Tough (we do 'know' each other btw, under my old NN), but it got too much for me. Annabloodybel and her MrNVN make me want do unlawful things.

A lot of these ad's dont meet the UK Gov definition of an Au Pair

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They?re treated as a member of the family they live with and get ?pocket money? instead - usually about £70 to £85 a week.

Workers and employees have different rights, eg the right to the National Minimum Wage and paid holidays.

Au pairs may have to pay Income Tax and National Insurance, depending on how much pocket money they get.

An au pair isn?t classed as a worker or an employee if mostof the following apply:

+they?re a foreign national living with a family in the UK
+they?re an EU citizen or have entered the UK on a Youth Mobility Visa or student visa
+they?re here on a cultural exchange programme
+they?ve got a signed letter of invitation from the host family that includes details of their stay, eg accommodation, living conditions, approximate working hours, free time, pocket money
+they learn about British culture from the host family and share their own culture with them
+they have their own private room in the house, provided free of charge
+they eat their main meals with the host family, free of charge
+they help with light housework and childcare for around 30 hours a week, including a couple of evenings babysitting
+they get reasonable pocket money
+they can attend English language classes at a local college in their spare time
+they?re allowed time to study and can practise their English with the host family
+they sometimes go on holiday with the host family and help look after the children
+they can travel home to see their family during the year

...end quote.

The bit I find interesting is that they 'help' with light housework and childcare for around 30 hours a week INCLUDING babysitting

Agree fuck. But I've been nosing at the locations on street map. I can assure you that none of the houses I have seen today are in that price bracket

I do still have to look at James and Alexandra though. Nt sure if their location in their house or the flat WITH IT'S OWN ENTRANCE

saintmerryweather "i just laughed so hard i scared the dog at the shed with its own entrance!"

Just quoting this because it made me properly giggle!

"ITS" - I mean!

Depends where you're looking, true. I'm thinking the 'toastrack', but also a couple of the streets where these earlier children are, without naming but by the tiny bit of the Common for sure.

If, as I suspect, they're on the doorstep of the school, you are spot on, 4/5 bed none more than £1m as it's the shit end of Wandsworth and the ones near Wandsworth Town are barely more than tiny cottages. They were built for the railway workers 150 years ago in the then 'slums' of south London.

Apart from, (possibly) James and Alexandra, (Gobbo will get back to us on the entrance/housing situation there, in proper Chelsea) the rest are just minor public school types, probably fairly dim, who have married into their own circle and now want to pretend they are something they are not.

Where's salsmum?! I want to congratulate her on starting one if the most enjoyable threads on mumsnet for sometime. It's totally distracted me from my morning sickness

Tough, I just did - figured I ought to after saying that

Where is the OP? She hasn't joined in any of the fun.

Interestingly the ECJ doesn't agree with the UK govt. nor so several employment tribunals and their own High Court.

Calypso - you have summed up pretty much everyone that has moved into this area over the past 12/15 years. I was lamenting only this weekend with one of the indie shops how bloody up their own arses so many of them are.

Does gumtree not have any responsibility for ads that are attempting to break employment law?

Sorry to lose my sense of humour but I think it's fucking shocking that anyone would prioritise their house and their holidays over the welfare and safety of their children. I understand using semi-legitimate childcare if you are on min wage and have no choice but these people can perfectly well afford a nanny share, childminder or nursery. When David Cameron talks about people have child after child and leeching off the state, I will think of James and Alexandra et al given they can't even pay their employees NI, Tax and a decent living wage.

James and Alexandra really shouldn't have listed their names, should they?

It's the children of these set ups I feel sorry for. Judging by the ads it would seem many of them spend significantly more time with the au pair than their parents, and most au pairs don't stick around longer than a year.

Nightingale you are sadly absolutely right. I rarely see the children round here in the parks with their parents, it is almost always their au pairs.

people having child after child

Sorry, appalling grammar