if you smoke, would you smoke outside the hospital, in your nightwear?

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cos I am shocked whenever I walk by, virtually every day, with all and sundry sitting in their pyjamas.
have they no shame.
what I would do? get some proper clothes on for god's sake,

Yes, yes, and some are obese because they eat too much.

But I don't judge them. That's their business.

I think cars should be banned. All car drivers are selfish with the amount of pollution they cause.

What about the people who are obese because they eat too much and don't exercise then flan
Do they get treatment on the nhs or not?

I'm confused. There are many categories of people who do things that are not good for their health. So how do you decide who gets treatment?

sure -the WHO have guidelines on pollution levels and if this lower limit can be reached then health will improve. I'll look up a link

But LadyMary - the air pollution is constantly at a much higher level from cars, industry and the like!

Well flan if you are wearing a mask, then surely that protects you from cigarette smoke as well??

I think rugby players and horse-riders should be banned.

Lynette I will not look at you like that.
I'm a non smoker.

I just think smokers get treated like sub humans at times,and it's not right.

I do think people should smoke away from entrances/exits/bottlenecks FWIW.
But when they do there will always be someone moaning about smoke wafting their way on the prevailing winds.

Yes I know there are lots of medical reasons for being overweight

That's why after you had said that people who knowingly take health risks should not have treatment on the NHS I expressly asked if you thought that morbidly obese people who are overweight for no other reason than overeating i.e willingly/choosing to put their heath at risk should also be denied NHS treatment.

But you know what? Don't bother. A colleague said something similar once and I was of a mind to tell her she was taking out of her arse. I didn't though.

And people that raise money by parachute jumps and things like that.

Selfish bastards

Oh, my ds1 broke his arm. Because he was playing football.
I guess that was his fault for playing. How dare the nhs treat him.

I have seen lots of hysteria on smoking threads but apart from flanbase, there really isn't any hysteria. I don't think asking for compassion wrt smoking in hospital grounds is a big ask. I'm suprised the big NO SMOKING signs don't make you feel guilty about it but whatever. If you're well enough to struggle outside to have a fag, a few steps more shouldn't be too difficult.

T&B - if someone is deliberatly sabotaging their health then it does make sense to say that there will be an additional cost. This is just my opinion and I place it with smoking. You are trying to pin me down on many categories of other people and all I can say is when people are refused treatment because of where they live or availability of treatments and then a smoker gets full medical care that in a few years will have on affect you just have to say something needs to be done. I know it's not a popular opinion but it's mine. It's annoying for sure but once you are on the other side of health and see people not get treatment this is how it is

But you can't just choose smokers for the reason people are not getting medical care.
There any many different ways of knowingly putting your health at risk. Overrating. Extreme sports. Alcohol. What makes smokers any different to any of these people? That's what I don't understand.

What about people who didnt eat enough fibre and ate too much barbecued meat and increased their risk of colon cancer?

Will they incur extra costs?

Our local hospital have banned smoking on the entire site therefore most people who smoke do it just outside the door as it's outside. Personally I have smoked well away from the entrance when I was in hospital... and I always made sure to wear my smoking jacket over my pj's.

Smokers actually hugely stimulate the economy. Also, not sure why you are bringing the postcode lottery into it?

And frankly flan - if you have to wear a mask for air pollution then a bit of fag reek is the least of your worries

I can kind of see patients that do tgis logic although they should use the designated areas.

I used to smoke 20 years ago. Back then the hospitals had smoking rooms for patients. I was in hopsital for months and months and used to saunter quite a distance from the ward to a smoking room in my PJs and dressing gown. The fact they have outside areas for smoking now - is not the smoking patients fault. In the summer I can remember a kind nurse opening the ward doors to the garden (alongside a car park and hospital offices) and putting a few chairs out there for smokers and other patients to use. They even used to bring the tea trolley out to us.

If you have a drip in or canula(not sure of the proper name or spelling) thingy in the back of your hand etc etc then getting changed every time you need/want a smoke is not ideal.

Its a hospital - everyone is in their PJs most of the time anyway.

There are other things I choose to get judgey about. However, a big bug bear of mine is people who smoke in door ways - shop,pubs, restaurants etc etc - what they wear does not cross my mind.

Flanbase - just because you really want smokers to be to blame for everything, doesn't mean they are.

And just to re-iterate I never smoke around doorways.

People drive, cross the road, cook their dinner - all sorts of everyday activities and the whole of life is one big health risk and no one leaves it alive. Smoking does no good in anyway for health, the buts going on the ground, the power to produce the product, transport for it. The tax has been mentioned but in all of it perhaps it wouldn't be missed with the increased in health.

It would be missed. Because there would be a £7 billion pound shortfall!

And we'd all live a few years longer - enough to start costing a lot money in geriatric services.

I live in the Highlands in a very popular hill walking area.
My ex was in Mountain Rescue, do you know the cost of a helicopter to get someone off the hill, apart from the blokes that to it voluntarily?
Silly incidents like a twisted ankle, or more serious ones like an avalanche.
Are they sabotaging their health?
IMO yes to a certain extent, but they're doing a risky sport so deemed worthy.
I on the other hand will remain an unhealthy smoker, until I can give up but at least I know, with the taxes I pay on my fags, I've paid into the system.

My father died of COPD 5 years ago. It's a horrible way to die. He was housebound and hooked up to oxygen and he spent years knowing that he was going to die, just waiting. I was always ill as a child; constant barking coughs, tonsillitis, chest infections. It all stopped when I moved out. I am very anti smoking, especially around children because they don't have a voice that is heard, neither do the patients in the wards who have to breathe it in when someone smokes outside their windows. I don't really care about the revenue they generate or how much they cost the NHS if I'm being honest, I care that there's parents who will not see their grandchildren grow up because their addiction will kill them.

Back to the op and it will only be when smoking in public is illegal that anything will be done to protect the health of non smokers