if you smoke, would you smoke outside the hospital, in your nightwear?

[waikikamookau]

cos I am shocked whenever I walk by, virtually every day, with all and sundry sitting in their pyjamas.
have they no shame.
what I would do? get some proper clothes on for god's sake,

[flanbase]

Tantrums&Ballons - In respect to Stoic's mothers passing.
I do though not think it right to smoke where others have to be in this.

[Shakey1500]

flanbase Ref your quote If you want to smoke then do it somewhere you do not ruin the health of others.

We used to. In a dedicated smoking room. Until the enforced ban.

[Corygal]

Yes. One makes marvellous new friends, too (more interesting than non-smokers).

[MummytoKatie]

Holly One way into the delivery ward. 7cm dilated. Contracting roughly every 3 minutes. (Took the "don't come in too soon" a bit too seriously). Didn't want to walk through a cloud of smoke similar to that in "Stars in their eyes."

But had little choice about it.

[LastTangoInDevonshire]

Well said Shakey - no-one EVER smoked outside our hospital entrance..........until they took away the outside smoking room !

Suggest you anti's lobby your hospitals to get them re-instated????

[pierpressure]

I must have been less addicted than some of you.
Was in for 5 days. After 3 days on morphine I came too enough to want to smoke, but was still so ill I could not physically go outside . By day 4 I just was too embarrassed to wheel the drip down in the lift to stand on some grotty cigarette strewn car park roof.
Once I got home i decided it would be truly stupid to go back to it, so am 10 months free now.
2 stone heavier and still feel slightly cheated as I "hadn't decided" mind, but still glad. Not least as have probably saved well over a thousand pounds.

[WafflyVersatile]

I went to visit a terminally ill woman in hospital who got me to push her in her wheelchair, her colostomy bag nestling in her lap, outside so she could have a cigarette. I don't suppose she gave a fuck what people thought.

[TantrumsAndBalloons]

flan you can have whatever view you want.

What you said about stoics mum being selfish was wrong. You could have just said "I think it is selfish to stand outside blah blah blah"

You didn't have to say what you did.

You are obviously not a smoker. That's good. My nan was a smoker. She was in a hospital bed for 2 months. I used to take her outside for a cigarette because she wanted it. And she was dying.

You don't agree with that, fine. But your suggestion that smokers do not get nhs treatment is ridiculous

[AmazingBouncingFerret]

I can see why people do. It is an addiction after all.

When I was in after my operation I just felt too rotten and was too drugged up to even bother about my craving!

[LynetteScavo]

You hospital needs the shouty thing my hospital has....every now and then it shouts out ani-smoking messages. I think it has a sensor, as it shouted at me when I was going in at 2am once. I definately wasn't smoking.

The hospital staff stand a few meters away, sheltering in the car park.

Ah, I too remember the good ol' days of the smoking room on the maternity ward. DH had to walk through it to get to the loos. When a pregnant lady who spend the entire day in there said to him "you go to the toilet a lot" he held back from saying "you smoke a lot."

I'm not shocked by people smoking in their PJ's outside the hospital. I do feel sorry for them though. (And I will soooo never wear PJ's in hospital. I will wear "sports wear" or "lounge wear.")

[flanbase]

T&B - I stand by what I said. There is nothing wrong in my words.

[AmVfuckedNowLetFloodgatesOpen]

flanbase
it's totally disgusting and why is treatment being given to those who are ruiningtheir health by smoking. If you want health care then no smoking and I'd say a test to prove this.

And to THAT - I'd add, 'let's go down a Hitleresque/'perfect person' selection path.... and NOT give treatment to anyone who has obviously either lost their humanity; compassion; basic human comprehension; & empathy genes.'

As their 'worth' is manifestly way less than others - even if they don't 'smoke'.

[crashdoll]

There is another option to smoking right next to the door in my hospital, it's called the smoking shelters, nice benches and everything! There really is no excuse. That is selfish.

[HollyBerryBush]

One way into the delivery ward. 7cm dilated. Contracting roughly every 3 minutes.

Oh well, hold your breath, smoke doesn't go that far outside

[flanbase]

Floodgates - there is no safe amount to smoke. It's a known health risk and does no good in any way. Why should these people get nhs care when kids have to go to america to get operations refused ? or postcode lottery for cancer refused. It makes sense to say to people that if they choose to smoke they then pay for their healthcare rather than just be able to access the nhs like that.

[MummytoKatie]

Holly Obviously. But it's not a time when you are at your most rational.

And holding my breath didn't stop my hair smelling slightly of it.

[TheChaoGoesMu]

Who do you think pays for the Nhs flanbase? You think it's a freebie gift from the government?

[Shakey1500]

flanbase would you also say that morbidly obese folk who have no medical reason to be overweight should also be denied treatment?

[VerySmallSqueak]

flanbase there are still many people who started smoking before it was identified as a health risk.

What level of care would you refuse to a smoker?
All levels?
If they got an uti would you refuse them antibiotics?

Don't know if you've got DC's.
if you have,and one decides to smoke would you see them go without any health care.

Don't be afraid to admit that you've been a bit OTT.Stop digging.

[TwistTee]

There should be no smoking anywhere on hospital grounds. We wouldn't condone drunks with bottles or drug addicts crowding A&E entrances or accept an alchoholic can drink to get him through his stay at hospital so why is it different for smoking? The fact that its an addiction just isn't a good enough reason.
There isn't a single outdoor space at my local hospital that you can sit in without either breathing in someone smoke or being surrounded by hundreds of cigarette butts.

[Thurlow]

Going down flan's truly excellent way of thinking...

Anyone who smokes should be denied medical treatment
Anyone who drinks more than the recommended allowance should be denied medical treatment
Anyone who is overweight and eating more than their recommended calorie intake should be denied medical treatment because they're not trying to lose weight
Anyone who takes part in a dangerous sport should be denied medical treatment when they break a bone doing their sport
Anyone who chooses to drive when they could conceivably walk should be denied medical treatment if they are involved in a car accident

[VerySmallSqueak]

And I'm getting so about the level of hysteria over smoking on MN lately.

You will not shrivel into a screaming ball of agony over walking past a smoker in the fresh air.
Honestly.

There's a lot of perfect people around suddenly.

Can you take some time off from polishing your halos to develop a bit of tolerance?

[TheChaoGoesMu]

Don't forget people who don't exercise at least three times a week thurlow.

[crashdoll]

Seriously, it's a bloody hospital. Have some compassion, there are ill people there. It's not like it's the supermarket. Tolerance both ways would not go amiss. It makes fuck all difference to my medical condition but someone with a lung condition may feel differently....

[Thurlow]

Of course. And food poisoning, it was probably their own fault for cooking badly in the first place.