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to feel very proud of the Scots' reaction to Nigel Farage?

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HeadFairy · 17/05/2013 18:32

Particularly the man who yelled at him "foreigners are welcome in Scotland, you're not!"

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FannyFifer · 18/05/2013 15:56

Also not that many "career politicians " in Scottish parliament.
Would think there are hardly any MSP's in fact who have not had jobs outwith politics.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 15:59

Less you need to quantify some of those ludicrous and downright offensive statements.

LessMissAbs · 18/05/2013 16:02

Actually it is - he was asked what his political persuasion was, in a sort of chatty conversation at the end of the interview, he said he was a floating voter, but didn't support the SNP and wasn't keen on Labour. Interviewer's face apparently tightened and conversation stopped. Later he found out that interviewer was a strong SNP supporter.

If you think this sort of thing is unusual, you must be very naieve. I know several people whose friends have got them jobs over other far more experienced, better qualified people - happens in the oil industry in Aberdeen all the time.

Its getting to the stage that you dare not mention that you dislike SNP policies, in case one of their supporters is in a position of power, and makes your life a nightmare in the workplace. Labour were bad enough with their jobs for the boys culture, but the SNP are in a different league altogether.

DH actually found getting a contract in Germany easier (and experienced no racism there) than getting a job in his own country, although he is now in the process of changing career anyway.

LessMissAbs · 18/05/2013 16:04

ParadiseChick Less you need to quantify some of those ludicrous and downright offensive statements

You want to censor my comments because you don't like them?

Well if that doesn't just prove what I'm saying is true.

Sheesh.

Unami · 18/05/2013 16:08

Um, no one said anything about censoring - they're asking you to be specific if you're going to make very dramatic claims.

Your experience of Scotland sounds absolutely nothing like mine.

FannyFifer · 18/05/2013 16:09

Quantify doesn't mean censor.

Unfortunately in some jobs it is the case that friends of friends get employed.

Used to always be comments about the masons etc.

claig · 18/05/2013 16:09

"I'm sorry, but you just don't know much about Scottish politics."

Unami, you are right, I don't.

JollyOrangeGiant · 18/05/2013 16:12

So basically, LessMiss, you dislike Scotland because it is not as right wing as some other places in Western Europe? That's one of the reasons I LIKE being here.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 16:13

Did I say censor?

No, I said quantity, explain, make solid because at the moment they sound as sloppy as shite.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 16:14

I got knocked back for my own job once in favour of an external candidate! Shut happens.

ithaka · 18/05/2013 16:20

Back to Nigel Farage's unpopularity in Scotland....

I think my DH had it right when he said that most Scots see UKip as on a par with the BNP - a racist party so unpleasant party that it is questionable that it should be considered a legitimate political party.

I am no SNP supporter, but Scotland's firm rejection of Farage's defensive, regressive 'little Englander' stance is certainly something I can get behind.

claig · 18/05/2013 16:21

'I got knocked back for my own job once in favour of an external candidate'

Was the external candidate wearing a party rosette?

LessMissAbs · 18/05/2013 16:21

JollyOrangeGiant So basically, LessMiss, you dislike Scotland because it is not as right wing as some other places in Western Europe? That's one of the reasons I LIKE being here

No, I increasingly dislike it because its becoming more and more politically intolerant of the perfectly normal wide stretch of political choices that are standard in most civilised countries.

But please do tell me which other places in Western Europe are right wing?

I take it you are aware that we have a Conservative Government in power in the UK at the moment? You might not like it, but it is a fact. In Scotland, there is no genuine chance of having any even slightly right of centre party in power in the foreseeable future.

Its not just politics; everything here is too much in favour of public sector employment, nanny state interference in your daily life, revelling in health and safety legislation and reasons not to do things, can't build a tram network in their capital city, massive fraud in relation to communal repairs in said massive city brushed under the carpet - I just don't see what Scotland offers me and DH, compared to other Northern European countries. And I can only see it getting worse.

I guess if I wanted to sit on my backside and do very little, or work in the public sector, I might think differently.

LessMissAbs · 18/05/2013 16:23

said capital city one of the things Edinburgh at least has going for it is the fact it isn't massive.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 16:24

Do you think that is some sort of enforced brainwashing that has resulted in the political landscape of scotland or the fact we've always been left leaning, more liberal with shared values?

Unami · 18/05/2013 16:24

LessMiss, everything you just said indicated that you DO dislike Scotland because it's less right wing.

I, and the majority of Scottish voters, am glad that there's "no genuine chance of having any even slightly right of centre party in power in the foreseeable future". That's democracy for you, and if you don't like it then I think that you're the one being 'intolerant'.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 16:27

The trams are happening and the repairs contract thing was a disgrace but hardly covered up! Your beef seems to be with city of Edinburgh Council.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 16:29

Yeah that's right claig, the external candidate was in fact salmod himself...

claig · 18/05/2013 16:30

'Yeah that's right claig, the external candidate was in fact salmod himself...'

well, then the better candidate got the job.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 16:32

Salmond, not salmod!

LessMissAbs · 18/05/2013 16:34

Paradise Chick Scotland hasn't always been left wing, in fact it has a strong tradition of traditional Presbyterian, hard working diligence, which has kind of died out in favour of the current Labour/SNP hogwash.

Unami I, and the majority of Scottish voters, am glad that there's "no genuine chance of having any even slightly right of centre party in power in the foreseeable future". That's democracy for you, and if you don't like it then I think that you're the one being 'intolerant'

Fair enough. I want to get out anyway. Its beginning to sicken me. And theres plenty of Scots who have traditionally migrated to England and overseas, so I think Scotland probably is a bit of an odd entity, democratically speaking.

Its strange though I think to spot nothing slightly unusual about a country which has no effective political spectrum - Scotland has been voting Labour for decades, now its swung to an effective "choice" between two politically very similar parties. Somewhat unusual, but often sadly lost in "the pretend everythings great at all costs" culture.

JollyOrangeGiant · 18/05/2013 16:34

I didn't say other places were Right-Wing, just that they were more right wing than Scotland. Whether or not there is a centre-right government in Westminster is irrelevant.

The Scots certainly didn't vote for them, which makes some other places (England, Germany, Italy) more right wing than Scotland. Or less left wing.

ParadiseChick · 18/05/2013 16:40

What tosh you talk!

The only party lacking large representation in Scotland is the conservative party.

The last Scottish election was the first time since formation that there was a majority!

LessMissAbs · 18/05/2013 16:41

JollyOrangeGiant The Scots certainly didn't vote for them, which makes some other places (England, Germany, Italy) more right wing than Scotland. Or less left wing

You really ought to quantify that statement, as it doesn't reflect the fact that Scotland is (still) a democracy.

I am quite certain that many Scots did vote for the Conservatives, albeit not a majority. The Conservatives still have quite a following in some of the more rural, farming parts of Scotland, away from the central belt meritocracy.

LessMissAbs · 18/05/2013 16:42

Paradise Chick What tosh you talk! The only party lacking large representation in Scotland is the conservative party

But this thread is all about it being UKIP?

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