to feel very proud of the Scots' reaction to Nigel Farage?

[HeadFairy]

Particularly the man who yelled at him "foreigners are welcome in Scotland, you're not!"

:o

'She was told it was because no one could understand her accent.'

Did an employer tell her that? Because she could have taken them to court over it.

We have people working here you hardly speak any English, so whoever told her that was lying.

MissAnnersley, the 'we' is the English people.
Your family may not support Scotland over a South American team, but I have lived here long enough to observe that they are in the minority. Most English people would support Scotland.

Of course it is my personal experience gained over years in England among English people. If you don't want to believe personal experience then whom do you want to believe, people who have no personal experience of it whatsoever?

I believe it is your experience. I simply don't believe it is representative of a large swathe of the English population.

OK, you are free to believe what you want.

Indeed.

Well I will hazard a guess at the fact that the person told they couldn't get a job in Scotland because they were English was also not told that by an employer. Maybe they were lying to her too.

y way my friend never did manage to get a job and moved back home.

I agree that the anti EU groups will have more trouble making in roads in Scotland because the Scottish population are consistently more pro-Europe than people south of the border. Just the same as the Scots are more left leaning. These are historical, proven differences between the Scottish population and the population in the rest of the UK.

In my experience, Scots are more pro immigration also. Certainly the SNP, who are undeniably widely supported in Scotland, have a pro-immigration stance when compared with the mainstream Westminster parties.

As was stated above, Scotland has needed immigration in order to stop our population declining. And in areas like Aberdeen there is such low unemployment that there is little fear of immigrants 'stealing our jobs'.

AWeeBit, I think you are right.

"By way my friend never did manage to get a job and moved back home."

there are more than 2 million people unemployed, maybe that had more to do with it than her accent.

Perhaps she has been very upset by the experience though and there is no telling her that it is not because of what that one person said to her.

Yes, I agree, that has now become her personal experience and has shaped her views, and all arguments to the contrary such as pointing out peope who work in England with only a smattering of the language will not persuade her otherwise.

Why do these threads always turn into anti Scottish rants?
My ex is English BTW, it makes ds half English with half his extended family down south, he still lives in Scotland since we divorced.
Funnily enough his brother married a Scottish woman, and they relocated to Scotland too.
And as for my own street, HA houses out of 9 houses 3 are occupied by English people that have moved up here.
The local shop and cafe is run by an English woman, and we have an English man as chair of the Community council.
Increasingly in the Highlands this is the case.

Wow! Could you be more patronising?

Said to a friend of mine by an employer in Scotland. "The decision has been made between you and the second candidate. Whilst you both have same qualifications, similar experience I feel I have to offer the position to X because they are Scots. Thank you for applying"

I have been rejected by 6 local companies after the initial phone interview despite on paper being perfect for the position with excellent references When I asked for feedback, I was told that they preferred to recruit from the local area. I live locally, pushed this point and was told it was because I'm not from the area i.e. Scottish.

Another friend is hugely qualified in a specific field. She went up for a job against someone she knew wasn't as qualified or as experienced as her. The other person got the job, they were Scottish. They have since been fired but another Scottish person has been employed.

I can't even put a political spin on it and call it "positive discrimination" as that benefits an under represented area of society. So I'll just call it BS instead. No one does anything about it because the last thing a transient population should do is alienate the locals. We're all married to men serving in the military and are here for between two to four years. You could argue that perhaps employers don't employ us because we'll move on in few years but even that argument falls down as many end up buying homes here to stay in permanently. They have to commute to Glasgow for work. Even if they apply for the same job locally they won't get it.

This is mine and others experience of the local job market.

*I agree that the anti EU groups will have more trouble making in roads in Scotland because the Scottish population are consistently more pro-Europe than people south of the border. Just the same as the Scots are more left leaning. These are historical, proven differences between the Scottish population and the population in the rest of the UK.

In my experience, Scots are more pro immigration also. Certainly the SNP, who are undeniably widely supported in Scotland, have a pro-immigration stance when compared with the mainstream Westminster parties.*

Scotland is underpopulated and has a declining population. Of course they welcome immigration. Frankly, migrants are far more likely to create jobs than the indigenous population.

fishybits, that sounds absolutely terrible.

Where are all these lawyers who are supposed to ensure that there is no bias in employment?

'Scotland is underpopulated and has a declining population. Of course they welcome immigration. Frankly, migrants are far more likely to create jobs than the indigenous population.'

And so it goes on.

As LBE posted, these threads always turn into anti Scots rants.

Bizarre.

There is no point in suing the local employers absolutely none. It would do so much more harm that could ever be gained by making a stand on principle. If someone needs to work then they simply have to commute further which is what people do.

Yes, I wouldn't be brave enough to do it.
But it shouldn't be up to individuals to do it.
This should be done on a national level, then it would come to an end.

Hmmm fishybits it seems odd and downright foolhardy that there are so many people in Scotland prepared to open themselves up to discrimination cases by openly admitting that they aren't employing you or your pal on the grounds of your origins.

I can't comment on your experiences, but I'm English and have never had any failure to get a job in these terms. The only case of bigotry I came across was from one dimwitted colleague who advocated 'throwing all the English out' (I calmly pointed out that the NHS and Education system would collapse over night) but she was one of those narrow minded bigots you get everywhere. If she'd been English she'd have been blaming Asians/EU Migrants for the failures in her own life.

there is now an increasing move to remove workplace legislation and equality provisions which guard against discrimination in the workplace

certainly leaving the eu would see us no longer bound by eu legislation on equality

but then that would also result in english people being discriminated against

if only you could somehow only discriminate against people you don't like, eh claig?

i am sure that ukip will find a way

Compo- Difficult to prove when nothing is in writing and it's a transient population. Both of those friends have been posted. I wouldn't sue, it's not worth it, we have enough to contend with moving every few years and this is not a battle I would bother to fight.

'if only you could somehow only discriminate against people you don't like, eh claig?'

I am against all forms of discrimination and I like everyone. We don't need the EU to have laws that treat our citizens fairly.

When my Dh was posted to Kinloss I really struggled to get a job so I applied for a call centre job despite being over qualified for it I thought any job is better than no job.

I didn't get the job the reason being that I'd had x amount of jobs in x amount of years due to the nature of following Dh around. They just didn't want to take the risk of employing someone who would move on again. Even though I explained that Dh was leaving the RAF and we were going to be settling in the area.

sorry you have found getting a job so difficult but despite being Scottish I was not able to get a job in the local area either.

fishybits, that's sounds horrible, but it sounds like more of a 'small town' mentality problem than a problem in Scotland generally. I've never heard of anything like this in a major Scottish city.

Claig, I know that you have strong opinions, but on some of these issues you're going on nothing - Scotland has little appetite for UKIP as a party, or as a protest vote, and is consistently more pro-Europe than the rest of the UK. I'm sorry, but you just don't know much about Scottish politics.

Momsnetcurtains YANBU I thought it was a good example of the Scot's renowned hospitality! We welcome any colour, creed or culture - AS LONG as they also welcome others of different ilk

In the interests of accuracy, you really ought to add on to that the words "as long as they share our political persuasion".

I'm part - Scottish, sound Scottish (I went to school here), etc, and I've lost count of the number of times I've been told I'm unwelcome here because I've said something that's perfectly acceptable in most parts of the world, but so many Scots completely overreact to it, because the culture is turning into political intolerance of any other views than left wing, state control.

More and more, I feel awful inside about just how dreadful the politics are here. Listening to career politicians whipping up the less educated, poorer sections of society to a frenzy, while quelling the views of anyone educated/intelligent who happens not to agree with them, is beginning to sicken me. You can't get away from it, its constantly in your face, in the newspapers, people talking about it at work, on the tv...

I'm pro-EU and have no interest in supporting Nigel Farrage, I simply support democracy and am against mob culture. How embarrassing to come from a country where rent-a-mobs behaving like children are considered a good thing.

I have several friends who've moved abroad to get away from what is becoming quite an oppressive culture, and I'm working on DH so we can move somewhere else in Northern Europe.

As for jobs, DH is well paid in a highly specialised field, but has been turned down for a couple of jobs here in Scotland because he wasn't in the SNP (interview question) and hadn't been to "right" school, respectively. You don't get promoted here or get good jobs because of how good you are at what you do or how well educated you are.

Your husband was asked at an interview if he was an SNP supporter and they didn't give him a job because he wasn't?

There is no way that is true, bullshit.