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to feel very proud of the Scots' reaction to Nigel Farage?

404 replies

HeadFairy · 17/05/2013 18:32

Particularly the man who yelled at him "foreigners are welcome in Scotland, you're not!"

:o

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ubik · 18/05/2013 08:50

I'm English in Scotland and have a job, I more we have and SNP government and I haven't been sent back yet, I have not encountered any anti -English feeling apart from in the Scottish media occasionally, and I have many friends from all over the world here who work in universities, hospitals, in industry. Scotland is more and more a multicultural country and the Scots vs England thing is increasingly irrelevant.

I wouldn't equate The SNP with UKIP: they are very different political parties.

Having grown up with the NF and later the BNP on my doorstep, I would be ashamed to vote for a party such as UKIP which has those associations.

claig · 18/05/2013 08:59

The reason that independence from the EU and therefore UKIP are not big issues in Scotland now, is because Scots are preoccupied with a more important question, which is independence and a break with the Union.

However, if that is achieved, then the next question will be should an independent Scotland be part of the European Union. Then a party that argues against will grow in stature and a whole new political question will be opened up.

UKIP are growing in England, because English people are thinking about independence from the European Union and not independence from the Union.

Once the Scottish independence question is resolved, then Scots will be asking the same questions as the English about the European Union.

sweetestcup · 18/05/2013 09:03

No one in England would be told, like a poster said above, that they couldn't get a job in an English town because they were Scottish or had a Scottish accent. There is no resentment towards Scottish people in England. The English people are not like that at all, and if you don't realise that then you have never lived in England.

You cant speak for an entire country!!! And Im afraid my Scottish best friend whos recently moved back to Scotland with her English DH would very much disagree with you if you had to question her on the treatment she received because of her accent in England.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:07

I live on a street where a neighbour has a Scottish accent and has lived here for years. No one notices, no one cares, she is the same as everybody else. No one is anti Scottish at all.

It is a nonsense to think that more than a handful of English people are anti Scottish at all. Come to England and see for yourself.

ubik · 18/05/2013 09:09

I think SNP is pro-Europe - although yes whatever political parties exist/are formed will consider this question after independence.

PoppyAmex · 18/05/2013 09:10

"I live on a street where a neighbour has a Scottish accent and has lived here for years. No one notices, no one cares, she is the same as everybody else. No one is anti Scottish at all."

Well you should've said that before! If no one in your street has stoned the one Scot who lives there, that must mean all English people are accepting of other cultures.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:13

Yes SNP is pro Europe, I think, probably because they are socialists, just like most of the parties in Scotland.

Once the independence issue is resolved, then a new politics will be created in Scotland and a new party will be born - one that isn't socialist and one that represents ordinary people. It won't be the tories who represent the toffs, it will be an anti-socialist, anti-EU party and may be something similar to UKIP.

Then the Scottish people will have a greater choice rather than the same old big state socialists.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:17

'English people are accepting of other cultures.'

Most English people are accepting of other cultures.

In England, very few people would wear the football shirts of acountry from South America if Scotland was playing that team in the world Cup. We would support Scotland, because they are the same as us.

We feel a kinship with the Scottish people even if they may not feel the same with us.

Come to England and see for yourself what the English people are like.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:22

When Scotland played Brazil in that great world cup long ago and when Rivelino scored against Scotland, we felt the same pain that the Scots felt, because we were cheering Scotland on just like the Scots were because we share this island with the Scots and we support them over all others.

PoppyAmex · 18/05/2013 09:23

FFS this is too ridiculous for words

EstelleGetty · 18/05/2013 09:25

Scottish assholes dislike the English; English assholes dislike the Scots, and that's it. Neither group speaks for a whole country. I've been called a 'stupid Scotch girl' in England and had it insinuated that i must live in a drug-riddled dump. Then again, i've been told several times how beautiful my accent and my country are. Dicks are dicks wherever you go.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:25

Yes, too ridiculous to be told the truth and to challenge your stereotypes about the English. You hide your head in the sand.

EstelleGetty · 18/05/2013 09:31

Oh, and use of the word bawbag is nothing to do with the SNP. Not according to my friend, the Glaswegian lexicographer. And i don't remember being under the influence of Alex Salmond when i was saying it at primary school in the 90s.

MissAnnersley · 18/05/2013 09:32

No, what is ridiculous claig is stating personal experiences and trying to inflate them into some kind of theory about the relationships that exist between England and Scotland.

What you are writing about is personal, what is being discussed is political.

FannyFifer · 18/05/2013 09:33

Genuinely lol at Bawbag being an SNP insult, wtf.

MissAnnersley · 18/05/2013 09:35

Yes it is bizarre fanny but this entire thread has taken an extremely strange turn.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:37

MissAnnersley, I have lived in England all my life and I am countering the theories by people who have not lived here that more than a tiny minority of English people are in any way anti-Scottish.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:39

And by that I mean on a personal level.

MissAnnersley · 18/05/2013 09:41

However you are not the spokesperson of the English nation. Your experiences will be as subjective as everybody else's.

I have lived in Scotland my entire life and the idea that I could make any kind of statement on behalf of my country is laughable.

Branleuse · 18/05/2013 09:42

some scots are funny about the English only in the same way as some english are funny about Germans. Its just history and most intelligent people can see past it and arent going to blame english people now for what happened at culloden etc but the mindset amongst more insular smalltown people can sometimes prevail. Its a shame.
Theres also the same feeling that a lot of the north of england have against southerners. That all political decisions are for the benefit of the south and London.
im not surprised they want independence

MissAnnersley · 18/05/2013 09:42

Yes indeed claig, you mean 'in my experience' and only that.

claig · 18/05/2013 09:44

Well having lived my entire life in England, I am able to make observations about the English people.

That is why I can tell you that we support Scotland in international football matches and we have Burns' nights in pubs and are not anti-Scottish.

AWeeBitConfused · 18/05/2013 09:44

I have A friend from Shetland who moved down to England with her partner and couldn't get a job. She was told it was because no one could understand her accent. So it does happen.

The reason ukip is so unpopular in Scotland is because 53% of the population are pro EU. With only 34% out right opposed to EU and 61% think that if we get independence we should remain part of the EU. So why does an anti EU party think they will make any in roads in Scotland?

claig · 18/05/2013 09:45

Good points, Branleuse.

MissAnnersley · 18/05/2013 09:47

Who is this 'we' claig?

I could counter with my English family who certainly don't support Scotland at football and wouldn't know what a Burns' night is.

Do I think they represent all of England? Certainly not. It is my personal experience and that is all.