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To encourage my girls to do pageants?

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Sparklymommy · 16/05/2013 21:24

Ok, sure I am going to be blasted here, however:

I am in the UK, where the pageant scene isn't nearly as bad as it is in the USA. My daughters WANT to compete and ooze confidence and stage presence. They both already perform in dance festivals and talent shows and love the whole dressing up, being beautified thing. My eldest is 10, my youngest 4 next month.

I would never "expect" them to win, or put pressure on them if they didn't do well. I am not into "sexualising" them or turning them into mini adults I just think they would enjoy the experience and it would be good for them.

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WorraLiberty · 16/05/2013 22:09

OP, less than 2 months ago you posted to say your 10yr old DD was overweight and you were struggling to cut crisps/chocolate and other junk from her diet.

How on earth is the constant rejection she's going to face if she does pageants, going to help her self esteem?

Please think about what you're saying....

Dawndonna · 16/05/2013 22:10

Hahahahahahahaha!

mervynmouse · 16/05/2013 22:10

And honestly? It's for your confidence isn't it? Not for your daughters. Find another way of boosting your self esteem.

PacificDogwood · 16/05/2013 22:12

So, OP, any thoughts on what has been said so far?
In what way do you feel they would benefit from entering pageants?
Genuine question, asked in the most peaceful manner.

Maryz · 16/05/2013 22:13

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Saski · 16/05/2013 22:13

Please don't. There's no earthly justification. If they love the stage, get them into some kind of drama class.

Yes, the world heaps undeserved praise upon beautiful women. Why throw them into this ugly reality at such a tender age?

Maryz · 16/05/2013 22:14

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MadBusLady · 16/05/2013 22:42

OP, less than 2 months ago you posted to say your 10yr old DD was overweight and you were struggling to cut crisps/chocolate and other junk from her diet.

Sad This is not going to end well, is it.

Parajse · 16/05/2013 23:09

There is a huge, huge difference between dance competitions and pageants. When you compete as a dancer, you are being judged on your ability to dance. While I accept that not everyone is cut out to be a ballerina/professional contemporary dancer, IME as a dance teacher I've never known anyone who can't achieve a beautiful performance of some degree with hard work and dedication. Therefore a dance performance is a showcase of your hard work, commitment and talent.

When you compete in a beauty pageant, you are being judged on your physical appearance, 'likability' and stage presence. Physical appearance you can do nothing about (unless you're going to go down the surgery route, and that's a whole different argument), stage presence you can work on but ultimately it's going to boil down to how 'pretty' you are. So while dance competitions encourage hard work and enforce the idea that commitment pays off, pageants just teach a child that they're 'not pretty enough' and there's nothing they can do about it Hmm I know which one I'd let my daughter do.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/05/2013 03:31

And, compare this Maryz.

TheFallenNinja · 17/05/2013 06:01

This is a wind up right?

CPtart · 17/05/2013 06:25

No. Send them to drama school.

Branleuse · 17/05/2013 06:33

yabu.

hideous

OrmirianResurgam · 17/05/2013 06:39

Dancing, talent shows,? Great! Looking nice? No problem. Being encouraged to win because they are more tarted up than the next child?Not so good.

Why would you even want a child as young as 4 to do this?

MTBMummy · 17/05/2013 07:28

Just to add my 2p on the matter.

I did pageants as a kid, I was never forced to do it, but my mum did support my wanting to do it.

The plus, it taught me to be graceful (I'm a clumsy fucker by nature) gave me a lot of confidence in front of crowds, I suffered with low self esteem and would stutter when having to talk to more than 2 people.

The downside, I followed this through into my teens, and joined an agency for models and at 14 was dropped from their books for being too fat (probably about a size 6). As a result I developed an eating disorder.

I do use my brain and hold a high level role in a very technical male dominated field, but it was an experience that had both its benefits and down side

I'd say your 3yo is too young, but your 7yo may be mature enough to do it, but make sure you support her, let her know this is just a bit of fun and she's beautiful without having to be judged by others

Sparklymommy · 17/05/2013 07:47

Ok, so this is the response I was expecting! And, maybe two months ago I would have felt the same. But then I actually looked into it. My oldest has ASKED to do a pageant and that's why I looked into it.

Pageants in this country are not all about the prettiest child. They are about personality. They tend to have four rounds (or outfits, talent, formal, themed and outfit of choice) and its about the child. From what I can see most don't plaster their children in fake tan and false eyelashes. In fact most don't use make up at all. The girls that do pageants are encouraged to raise money for charity's and their are sashes that can be won for the most fundraising etc. how is that different to brownies?

My daughters have both started dance festivals at 3. My oldest didn't start having success with her dancing until she was about 6. She is in a very competitive, very strong group of children who are all very talented and it disturbs me that for a lot of them, placing second isn't good enough. Tears and tantrums ensue because they haven't won. At pageants their are lots of 'awards' and they are judged on many aspects. I don't believe them to be 'beauty' competitions so much as ''personality" competitions. I would never cake my kids in fake tan or make them wear false eyelashes but a little bit of stage make up? Tastefully applied? I don't see the harm.

My oldest is currently a carnival princess (for the second time). I fail to see a huge difference. Again that is not a 'beauty thing' it is a way for Dd to represent her town, raising money for charity and being involved in the town. She makes a lot of friends with girls from neighbouring towns and enjoys the season going out to other towns and sitting on the float. She has, at her own request, entered the competition for that titles four times. This is the second time she has been picked and when she wasn't picked she didn't feel not good enough. She congratulated the children that did get picked and moved onto something else. She is quite mature in that sense.

My dd already does about as much dance as she possibly can. She plays the cornet, sings and reads. She is, I know, a child of ten and also enjoys things like riding her bike, trampolining and playing at her friends house. She knows that in mine and her fathers eyes she is always our princess and we are proud of her which is why she feels confident enough to say she wants to do pageants. As for her baby sister, we will always encourage her to do what she wants to do (within reason).

For the poster who said I was worried my dd was overweight, I have never said she is overweight, I was worried she might become overweight. She has cut down on the eating between meals and that was my concern. She is not as skinny as a lot of the girls she dances with but she is not fat either. We also found, when we went through her wardrobe that most her clothes were age 6-8 and so have been shopping for new ones! She is 10 after all!

As for dance being about the performance, yes and no. Most of the time you can tell which child an adjudicator will pick before they have even danced. The skinny one with good turnout and a long neck. For me, pageants appear to be more inclusive in that sense.

And for people saying its abusive to put my 3 year old on stage: try and keep her off! I actually think its abusive to not listen to what a child wants. If my children told me tomorrow they didn't want to dance anymore then that's fine. My children are happy and confident and that is as a result of the encouragement we have given them. It's not about being the prettiest. It's about enjoying dressing up. You tell me none of your kids have fairy dresses and play at being princesses?

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RubyGates · 17/05/2013 07:53

Your child, your choice, hun Smile

MissAnnersley · 17/05/2013 07:55

I think it sounds grim. Sorry.

It's the idea that the girls are 'on show' somehow. It is not just about personality either or the girls would be on stage in their play clothes.

I don't like the idea of the children being judged so publicly either.

You are entitled to do what you want with your children.

However for me, it sounds awful. If I was invited to go to a pageant I would decline.

At best it is vacuous nonsense.

MadBusLady · 17/05/2013 08:00

You're wasting your breath, OP. As are we.

MadBusLady · 17/05/2013 08:00

Well, technically our typing.

Gingersstuff · 17/05/2013 08:00

Pageants are about being JUDGED. What is the point of them if not to prize one child above all the others? If you want to put your kids through that process go right ahead, though I tend to think these things say more about the parents than the kids. And no, my daughter never had fairy dresses or played at being princesses.

I do think that pageant kids either must end up feeling inadequate at not having won, or develop a rather nasty competitive and superior streak. There's just no need for them.

MrsHelsBels74 · 17/05/2013 08:10

Well if you expected to be blasted but weren't going to listen anyway why did you post on here?

Suzieismyname · 17/05/2013 08:13

My 2 and 4 year old DDs would love to eat chocolate all day and stay up til 10 pm. Should I let them because they want to?

Be a responsible mother and don't let them get involved in something that is purely about judging on appearances.

ComposHat · 17/05/2013 08:14

This must be a pisstake, surely?

Londonseye · 17/05/2013 08:17

ruby did you just say "Hun"??Shock