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To feel a bit down about my failed hen party plans

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MonstrousPippin · 14/05/2013 16:07

I'm getting married in late July and a few weeks ago sent an email to all my friends telling them to save the first Saturday in July for the hen party. I wasn't sure what it was going to be but to know that it wouldn't be a big weekend away and wouldn't involve traveling out of our town. Apart from 2 people who already had holidays booked, I got positive responses about the date from everyone.

A couple of weeks ago, I was having a drink with a few friends and we chatted about ideas and the consensus seemed to be that it would be great to hire a hot tub at my house and have a bit of a spa thing at home. I looked into it and it was going to either be quite pricey or affordable and shit.

Last week, after agonising for ages over what I should have that everyone would enjoy, I would enjoy and wouldn't be too expensive, I found a local hotel country club place that does a "champagne spa day" for £45 per head. This includes use of the pool, sauna, gym, jacuzzi, 2 course meal, champagne and strawberries, tea and coffee and a private lounge for the whole day. They obviously hope you'll order a massage or pedicure or something on top of that but it's not required. Considering it includes food and the place is well known for being really nice, I thought it was great value. Most other spa places I looked at were charging £60-70 and it didn't even include food.

The minimum number of people they require for this deal is 6. My mum already said yes, and considering I have one bridesmaid, I thought I'd only need another 3 people to agree to get the £45 per head deal. I've emailed 20 friends and pretty much all of them have replied, although interestingly I've not heard a peep out of my bridesmaid despite talking to her several times since and sending her info on Facebook as well. In my email I was clear I wouldn't be offended if a spa thing is not your idea of fun or if you don't have the money because I totally understand that, so I said we could have drinks and cakes at my house in the evening.

I guess I just expected out of 20 people that maybe 3 would be interested enough to come with me. I can hardly believe it, but apparently not. Only two people responded positively and definitely that they would like to come and one of those two retracted it the day after. General view from people is that it's too expensive.

I've had to cancel my provisional booking with the spa. I guess I could go on my own and still have a nice time.

Just last week I went on a hen do which was a meal out, fancy dress costume required, followed by drinks out on the town and taxi home. Everyone who went to that even chipped in to pay for the hen's meal. Pretty sure that all came to more than £45 for everyone considering what I ordered at the meal was £30. Makes me feel a bit of a fool for shelling out to go to other people's hen parties over the years. I've traveled all over the country for them in the past, bought costumes, paid for activities, paid for hotels, done stuff I didn't want to for the sake of the hen. Perhaps I was a bit of an idiot.

Sorry this is so long. I just feel quite down about it right now because I just sent out the cancellation email.

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Bearbehind · 15/05/2013 09:18

I totally agree with the 'each to their own' sentiment onwardbound, that's my whole point.

I really think it is pretty entitled to expect a friend to spend hundreds of pounds and use up their annual leave allowance travelling to a country they do not want to go to just because you were born there and you want them to affirm your importance to them.

If I had married abroad I would have paid for all those people I wanted to attend to be their as I would have felt it was my choice to go away.

I hope the OP has a lovely time doing whatever it is they end up doing though Smile

Jayne266 · 15/05/2013 09:49

I don't know where about you are OP but if it's something you want go for it are you near a Marriott hotel (with a spa) they are offering a deal that I took my friend on last week for her bday and they have deals on all the time.

MidniteScribbler · 15/05/2013 09:59

There are very few people I like enough to use up my holidays and need to save up for ages to travel overseas to their weddings. By all means, decide that getting married on a beach in Bali is your dream, but I loathe the place. I'll happily celebrate with you when you get home, but I'm not dragging my family over to somewhere I hate just because you think that the beaches there are better than the ones we have here. And if you get snooty about it, then you're not someone worth being friends with anyway.

As for hens, it's not something I'm a fan of, but I will suck it up if I can't figure out a decent excuse and put in an appearance. Dinner and then going out afterwards suits me, as I can go to dinner, then make excuses to avoid the 'consume your body weight in alcohol' part of the evening. If I'm offered the choice of spending an entire day with women I may not know vs going for champagne and cake in the evening, I'm going to choose the evening every time. When I work all week, weekends are for me to spend time with DS, and an evening suits me much better as I can still spend the days with him. I refuse any invitations to entire hens weekends for the same reason. I spend five days a week at work, the two days on the weekend are for family.

YonisAreForever · 15/05/2013 10:22

Very odd people saying how it wouldn't suit them.

Is anyone aware that if the person organising the hen went to each individual person to ask them their ideal of the hen, it would be different? So, do someone else's idea then do your own, on your own hen.

I really feel for you op, its flaky behaviour, very flaky.

I would not pursue it and do something else entirely really special with your mum like a night at the ritz or something.

I really hope your not spending a fortune on your wedding for these people either.

MidniteScribbler · 15/05/2013 10:27

Is anyone aware that if the person organising the hen went to each individual person to ask them their ideal of the hen, it would be different? So, do someone else's idea then do your own, on your own hen.

Yes, but when you decide you want to do something, you need to realise that it may not suit everyone else and you can't then sulk when people may prioritise other things in their life over celebrating your wedding.

It's an invitation, not a summons.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 15/05/2013 10:32

I have never been invited to a wedding abroad (apart from one in Ireland) but I wouldn't want to use up too much annual leave or spend vast sums travelling if it wasn't somewhere I would go anyway. My view is that if the friend getting married was a good friend they would understand that, if they took offence I would take that as a sign that they did not value the friendship.

Same for hen nights really, all those I have ever been invited to have been local, evening only ones, so the issue hasn't really arisen but I can see why people don't want to spend lots of money and spend time away from their partner/family over the weekend.

Bearbehind · 15/05/2013 10:36

Goodness me Yoni saying 'I really hope your not spending a fortune on your wedding for these people either' typifies the perception I have of entitled brides!

The bride and groom have chosen to wed and should spend what they want on the wedding- it should have nothing to do with what they are getting in return or what people are prepared to spend on the run up to their celebrations.

RubyOnRails · 15/05/2013 10:49

onwardbound I was dumped by my best friend when I couldn't afford to travel to Israel for her wedding....I just couldn't afford it, simple as that. And she knew that as I told her. Eight years on, we have only just reconnected which is such a waste, have missed each others first babes etc. please cut them some slack. It's not worth relegating or losing friends over.

squoosh · 15/05/2013 10:57

Expecting people to travel overseas to a wedding is a matter entirely different to expecting people to stump up a measly £45 for a hen night.

I think some people become completely wedding obsessed but once their own wedding has passed they conveniently forget the hoops they expected others to jump through and can't be bothered showing others the same courtesy.

MonstrousPippin · 15/05/2013 10:57

They're all great mates really and I think my approach to it is what's messed it all up. I emailed my mum earlier about arranging something just us two (I can't call because I'm at work) and even she said in her reply that giving what could be perceived as a choice between something free and paying for something that takes up their Saturday daytime, with hindsight might have been an error.

I had two friends who responded with "I love spa days! Count me in!" and everyone else saying they'll give it a miss and hope I have fun and they'll see me in the evening. I think my "I'll understand if you can't/don't want to come" email made them feel comfortable enough to be truly honest about whether they wanted to do it or not and perhaps the 2 out of 20 represents the percentage of the population who actually like spa days. 1 of those 2 who liked it then decided they couldn't afford it so 1 out of 20 people like it AND can afford it. I now feel like I've provided a public service with this survey Grin

Mumsnet has cheered me up about this and at lunch time I'm researching spa places for me and Mum to go to. At the end of the day, at least I'll know people will enjoy themselves and if they don't, well they must be very hard to please!

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Bogeyface · 15/05/2013 10:59

I dont like spa days but I would go because it is the hens day not mine! £45 for the day including the lunch sounds good value, especially when you compare it to a meal then drinks out at a club.

Some people are just selfish, they want you to put yourself out for them but wont do the same back. And yes I would be reconsidering friendships over it, because if the people who were happy for me the schlepp all over the country spending my hard earned £££ on their hens but wont consider doing the same for me are not the friends I want!

Bearbehind · 15/05/2013 11:04

Squoosh I agree overseas travel is no the same as the OP's situations but it is a variation on a theme.

The hen do was not just 'a measly £45' as that excluded any treatments which, when going to a spa, is a bit like going to the pub and not having a drink of any kind. It would have cost a lot more than £45 in the end.

I never expected anyone to jump thorugh hoops for my wedding- I was grateful to anyone who wanted to join in with our plans but didn't begrudge anyone who chose not to.

squoosh · 15/05/2013 11:06

But the point is that the OP has jumped through hoops for some of these people that she's invited!

She has attended far costlier hen 'weekends'. It's sheer bad manners of these people not to bother attending her day when she made the effort with theirs.

Bearbehind · 15/05/2013 11:16

I'm going to bow out now as I genuinely believe that these things are not tit for tat.

I don't think you should feel obliged to attend someone elses hen do/ party etc if it doesn't fit in with your financial commitments/ interests or family arrangements and I really don't think that just because you chose to attend someone else's party, that it means they must reciprocate.

MonstrousPippin · 15/05/2013 11:29

I agree Bearbehind

People's responses indicated it was too much money but having thought about it, I think that people thought that was more polite than just saying "I don't want to".

I felt a lot of disappointment as my mind had conjured up a little vision of us all having a lovely time sipping our champagne, lunching in our private room and relaxing in the jacuzzi. But of course, that vision included everyone loving the idea and having a great time. If the second bit wouldn't have been the reality, it would have spoilt the first bit so in hindsight, I'm glad I have honest friends who still care enough to meet up in the evening.

Everyone has different personalities and I think if I'd have not turned up to some other hen parties I would definitely have broken my friend's heart and had a lasting effect on them. Knowing them, I wouldn't do that to them. My friends rightly know that I'd probably be okay about it. I think I am okay about it now - yes, I had a bit of a blub about it yesterday to my DP but they don't know that. It's not the end of the world and if I look at it from another point of view, perhaps it's a compliment that my friends felt they could be honest with me (allowing for them letting me down gently with the money reason... obviously for some people that is the real reason though).

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squoosh · 15/05/2013 11:38

'I'm going to bow out now as I genuinely believe that these things are not tit for tat.'

Tit for tat? No, its about friendship and respect. I think it's very hurtful for people whose hen weekends the OP has attended to not bother attending her without giving any excuse.

Maybe this is how you conduct your friendships but it's certainly not how I expect a friend to behave.

I'm not married, I've no plans to get married but I've observered that there's a habit on MN for people to start beating the bride to be with a 'don't be so entitled' stick even when they haven't displayed any such behaviour.

scarletsalt · 15/05/2013 11:51

TheseFoolishThingsWed 15-May-13 07:31:54
I'm a proper old misery guts and I cannot bear the idea of a 'hen night' - almost no matter what form it takes. I didn't have one and I've never been to one. And I'm absolutely with squeaky and all the others who say a spa day is their idea of hell. It is my idea of hell and the 7 circles of more hell within it. I'm sure the cost is a factor for some but I really do wonder how many of your friends do feel that a spa day is up there with a day in custody in a Thai jail! They may not have said for the sake of not being rude, but when it came to it they just couldn't go through with it. I don't know - but I'm sure your cake and booze party will be just fine and to me sounds much more like fun.

Couldn't go through with it?! Get a grip its a spa day for goodness sake!

I cant believe some of the (rather selfish) responses on this thread. I am going to Go Fucking Ape in June for a hen do. Now that really is not my idea of a good time, but of course I am going because the hen is my friend and maybe I was mistaken but I thought that that is what friends do - they are there for each other at the important times of each other's lives. If someone is just going to say 'I'm not going to that hen do because I just dont fancy the activity and I aint putting myself out for no one' then they dont really deserve your friendship anyway.

Money is of course a different matter and if that was the case for me I would send a very apologetic email saying that I couldnt afford it, but perhaps we could do something individually another time.

MidniteScribbler · 15/05/2013 11:57

And that's fine for you scarletsalt if you want to go. As I said upthread, it's an invitation, not a summons. In the OPs case, she said you can come to the spa day or you can come to the champagne and cake. Most people chose the champagne and cake.

I would never expect a friend of mine to sit through their idea of hell because I was going to be a bride. I would prefer to choose an activity that everyone would enjoy, or they could pick and choose which parts to attend. I've been to plenty of hens night dinners at restaurants, then headed home before everyone has gone off to the clubs to get drunk as it's not my thing. I'm still making an effort to attend, but I'm not necessarily committing to the whole event. I won't do whole weekends just for a hens do. I'm a single mother to a young son, and when I work full time, I prefer to spend my time with him on the weekends, and it's not fair on him for me to disappear all weekend. I'll make an effort to either attend part of the event, or will catch up with the bride for dinner or drinks at another time.

Fortunately, all of my friends are grown up enough to accept that and think it's quite fair.

Decoy · 15/05/2013 12:00

I think if it's just a normal invitation for something to do with your mates just for the sake of it, then it's fine to say "no, not this time" if it doesn't appeal.

But a hen party is different as it's a one-off in the bride-to-be's lifetime. So you make the effort. And hopefully your good friends do the same for you.

scarletsalt · 15/05/2013 12:13

But Midnite at least you would make some sort of effort for your friends. Its the 'I hate hen dos, I avoid them' or 'I hate spa days I would make an excuse not to go' type responses that I find strange. Surely the whole thing is about spending time with your friends - and if you dont like doing that, then what is the point of being friends with them?

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OnwardBound · 15/05/2013 12:59

Ruby yes, unfortunately I have 'relegated' some of the people who didn't attend my wedding.

I take your point but really, I feel I have been very accommodating re friend's hens dos and weddings in the past.

So when I have taken annual leave and paid good money for flights to Aus, South Africa and Europe plus accommodation, etc... all because I valued the people concerned and wanted to be there for their special day.

Then to have some say, well I don't fancy going to that place so I'm not using my annual leave for your wedding, damn right it hurt. These were single friends by the way, not those with small children or partners who might have objected.

It was completely different when other friends told me they didn't have the money or annual leave available to attend. Or they had other commitments like children or ailing parents.

OnwardBound · 15/05/2013 13:02

Although one of the friends who didn't fancy it was also one whose wedding I had previously attended overseas.

Hp26 · 15/05/2013 13:19

Yanbu and I think your idea sounded like a nice hen do - affordable, relaxing, fun and personally I would much prefer spa day to the tacky and rowdy Lplates, fancy dress and blow up willies etc type do.

I do think its a bit selfish and thoughtless of so many people to say they're not keen. I would be a bit upset too tbh.

Fuckwittery · 15/05/2013 14:20

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