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oooh DangerousBeanz is there a buggy class chart i could check mine on? All these years of people studying the subtle nuance of class, built up over years, layering delicately since the Feudal system, and we could have just checked our buggy's!

MrsKoala, it's well-known a joke, hence the winky face. Have you never heard that one before? Maybe you're not MC enough (joking, obv)

Koala - I regularly buy organic falafel mix from Ocado or Waitrose. I even feel guilty for not making my own.

I'm actually proud to drive my old banger and not conform to the capitalist ideal. Even if I had loads of money, I'd still be a chickpea munching, scruffy git.

Oh. We've just got rid of our 12 year old banger and now have a bright, shiny new car. Does this mean I'm now working class?

.... mind you, this year we're off to France for our holibobs, so hopfully middle class status can be preserved

Ha! i'm all types of common! I try to tell DH we are NOT properly MC (he defo isn't!). I think it takes a few generations so M&D's on both sides - firmly WC (slum housing, outside loo etc), us - New Money, DS - MC worthy tosspot who only wears vegan shoes and drinks mung bean juice...and probably a teacher

It would be much clearer if we did away with the class system. It's too confusing.

Depends on the Holibob BIWI, if its gite, then full MC marks, if it's EuroDisney - epic fail. Sozzle (that word winds them up too :) )

Yes Betty - move to America - it's all just about the benjamins there!

Oh, friend's villa, MrsKoala! MC status definitely preserved.

Koala, that sounds much easier!

I love how ridiculous our class system is though. DH and I both went to private school have degrees etc, but aren't even distantly related to any kind of royal folks aka ragingly middle class. We're doing okay right now (still can't afford a holiday anywhere, even camping) but we've also been unemployed and on benefits! All that time, still middle class.

Reporting for GRMCL duty.

We also have a wood burner and drive old bangers.

It's taken a long time to realise that I could be MC.

This moment came, when I was sitting at outside my parent's (were both teachers) home in France, and moaning about how my local Co-op often ran out of avocados.

If I earned loads or won loads of money, I would never be MC.

My DP ran his own business we had a nice semi and everything. We were still WC.

I have a WC chip on my shoulder that I could never lose anyway

betty

have a WC chip on my shoulder that I could never lose anyway

presumably with gravy and mushy peas on it.

Yes Betty - move to America - it's all just about the benjamins there!

This is true to some extent, but it is much more complicated than that. The vast majority of Americans consider themselves middle class and are considered by others to be middle class. There are certainly gradations based to a large extent on income and occupation, but a factory worker (called "blue-collar") won't necessarily be living a life, or having attitudes and beliefs, very different from those of say a teacher or civil servant.

On another thread a while back about the TV show Frasier, a poster observed in passing that Frasier's dad Martin (a policeman) was working class and that Frasier (a doctor) was middle class. By UK standards, this might be true, but it is not true by US ones. They are both middle class.

This explanation is a tremedous oversimplification, I admit, but essentially true, I think.

I consider myself middle class, not because I think I'm better than anyone else, but because my lifestyle and where I live would get me laughed out of the true blue Essex town where I grew up if I tried to describe myself as working class. But that's what I was.

I will continue to vote Labour even if they put up a pig in a red rosette, but I'm on the right wing of the Labour Party because that best represents the people I've come from.

I've despised The Guardian since I grew out of my teens. And I like shiny things and new clothes.

betty. it's that feeling you get when you are walking round Waitrose, looking at the essentials range and laughing, and you suddenly think, 'yes, pannacotta is essential' and then you think 'oh behave you silly mare!'

We are moving to Canada and i reckon i'm going to reinvent myself as a proper lady. :)

i actually fit nowhere. When i'm with properly bourgeois people, they think of me as the help and when i'm with WC people they think of me as posh.

I was brought up in Chiswick by WC socialist cockneys (may as well have been wolves!). So i talk posh and have a 'posh' education but my opinions are WC. I fit in neither camp and am spotted as 'not one of us' by both.

I make panna cotta. Does that make me Nigella-level middle class or just someone who thinks: 'cream, vanilla essence, gelatine, that's just custard, innit?'

It's very hard being a working/middle class hybrid.

hell no.i refuse to be pigenholed with quinoa munching chatterat
if the rest of the guardian reading mc lefties want to be sheep good for them
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Signing in. I'm middle class in spirit but my bank balance isn't.