To think middle-class Guardian reading lefties, really are morally superior to their rabid Daily Mail/Telegraph reading counterparts?

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Posh lefty handwringers/Champagne Socialists/The Islington mafia call them what you like, but I think they are unfairly maligned.

Because in purely self economic terms it would be more beneficial to adopt a right wing stance and advocate less taxation, cuts in stamp duty and inheritance tax, yet they take an opposing view in the interests of fairness and justice.

By contrast, Middle/upper class Tories act largely in their own interest.

So - no answer to my question then.

And I'm not popping up on every thread which mentions the working classes, and hand wringing about people patronising me.

Bit odd. I asked for your views on why so many people who could be considered working class voted for UKIP.

" Although I did not vote for UKIP in my local elections, I would be intrigued to hear her views on why so many of "the proles" did ? "

What was

"Calm down dear" remark so obviously a very cheap shot.

So you haven't been popping up on threads, in your capacity of the voice of the people, complaining that you have been patronised.

Things
When faced with empirical evidence on another thread, you were rude to me. You then ignored the fact that you were rude to me. But you're not popping up on threads being rude to people who disagree with you, are you?
Ooo, hang on, I forgot the p.a. there.

Dawndonna, I was not rude to you. You chose to be offended,two different things. You posted a link to " myths about the EU debunked", which rather hilariously was from The European Commissions own website. You will forgive me for not regarding this as "empirical evidence". If you choose to regard it as such, well..

I then suggested that you might like to reassure us about GM foods safety by linking to Monsantos website.

How is this rude, please?

I feel rather sorry for the OP.
It's a narrow old life if the all the glory and interest of human complexity end up reduced to a world view like this. Sad.

Where else is it going to come from, you think they'd publish lies?

The Guardian has adopted the stereo typical Leftist position of 'The enemy of the Enemy is my friend'' Lazy thinkers and self loathing, they make George Galloway seem Pro Israel and Moderate!!!!!

Julian Assange is the Patron Saint of the Guardian ( along with any mad middle eastern Despot past and present), I rest my case!!

Flush Please

"Where else is it going to come from, you think they'd publish lies?
hmm"

Oh no. Absolutely not. Never. I'm sure you believe everything that, say,this government publishes online.

And would you now like to retract your accusation of "rudeness".

And what of those of us (the majority, I suspect) who are not stereotypical? Who mix and much views and don't agree blindly with any political party or any newspaper. Who make decisions based on our own needs AND the needs of our neighbours.

I honestly did think you were being rude. I still think you're being somewhat patronising. That may be the trouble with being online.

I adore your naivety DawnDonna, I want to be in your world, invite me in, quick, we can drink koolAid together!!!!

Disclaimer: All comments by me should be considered friendly, not rude!!!

Then I apologise. It was not my intention to be rude to you. I think you may be right about the perils of online debate.

Thank you Things that's kind and I appreciate it, and no, I'm not being sarcastic.

But...you can be a Guardian reading leftie, and also be working class, Northern, and Poor.
I don't understand the assumption that all left wing types are middle class and wealthy. We are not.

Didn't read 2nd page, but basically, what Mrs D said.

Emmy Thanks for calling this 54 year old ex lecturer naive. You are welcome to take part in my Guardian reading world. It involves working an eighteen hour day looking after an ex philosophy lecturer who can no longer walk and who has serious prostate problems at the age of 42, because somebody ballsed up the drugs for the original infection. We have four children, three of them with ASDs and one is a wheelchair user. I can no longer work because the government took away my respite care. We have some savings, so the only benefits I receive are child benefit and the princely carer's allowance the government deem sufficient earnings for somebody like me.

OK seriously, the OP - she was taken the piss, right? She sounds like a 6th former trying to start a heated debate.

My issue with the kind of left-wingers 'Guardian-types'the OP describes is the ones I have met are such bloody hypocrites. One friend of mine was moaning the other day about the awful Daily Mail type opinions of her neighbours - but ironically she sends her kids to one of the most exclusive public schools there are. And in fact most of my friends who send their kids privately profess to be left wing.

FWIW I read the Mail (and The Times, and on occasions The Guardianand Indie) - I don't subscribe to the vast majority of the views The Mail espouses. My DH is mixed race, I'm the daughter of an immigrant, I have also voted labour all of my life, and went to state schools and send my kids to state schools. I respect those who walk the walk, rather than just talk the talk.

Oh, and yet again the stereotype of the rich hypocritical champagne-swiggers. I'm getting a touch tired - and indeed envious - of them, frankly. Speaking as a card-carrying lefty feminist who lives in Grime and sends her kids to not particularly swish (though perfectly good) schools.

Or is it swigging us champagne socialists do?

An ex lecturer who believes what she reads on biased websites? Well, enough said then really! I of course, could list the problems facing my family however, that would make me somewhat crass would it not?

Never understood what a Socialist was in a Global Capital Market, seems to me that they want the hard working enemy ( The Middle Classes apparently) to redistribute their wealth to the poor!!! I asked my Husband when he finally arrived home from the City having put in a 13 hour day, what he felt about this 'ideal' I will not post the reply here, some might find it offensive!!

Socialism should be reserved for the young idealist pre-career pre-family and under graduate!! When they grow up, they should realise that they themselves don't want to share their wealth, and they in turn realise that actually Stalin was not a 'Comrade' but a nasty piece of work, and that the floods of people risking their lives to escape Fidel Castro's Cuba aren't fond of him either!!!

Er...thank you for that incisive political world-view

No Emmy This:
I of course, could list the problems facing my family however, that would make me somewhat crass would it not? is what made you crass.