to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

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Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

Actually nailak the teachers are doing just that so also agree they seem isolated. Lovely but really they should be teaching children.

sorry pan the whole thing isn't available but Handsworth is know for its immigrants and it is when the next immigrants arrive that they find the immigrants not happy at the arrival of more immigrants.

ha! thanks ivy Up the Handsworth Revolution!

sorry wrong ginernut I think - I mean side burns, its late

Really ivy? I've never known that thing. Lived in 3 big cities with mixed ethnicities and that notion has never come up. I'd think usually most immigrants would otherwise wish more of their fellow nationals to be there too.

Ah Wiggo. Yes. Another evil forriner.

Ah there own nationals - but not other immigrants from other places

Foreigner

I'm so sad for my country. We used to be great. The 'working classes' hand pride and substance and no amount of divide and rule politicking prevented them from developing the laws and institutions this generation are taking for granted and overseeing the dismantling of.
We don't have mothers with ten live births and two children lic

Oops I hate the iPhone.

That should read 2 children living because of welfare and employment and equality legislation but we're throwing it all away because someone is feeding us a line about people with a differ t skin tone.
There are far more worrying things happening that are impacting negatively on all our lives than immigration. If only we as a people were getting more exercised about these, we'd all be better off.

OMG nobody has mentioned skin tone

Um..well posters have 'mentioned' it, just understated.

newgirl thats great, people are identifying a perceived problem and doing something about it rather then complaining! if you think the teachers time would be better spent elsewhere, you are free to volunteer your time.

The biggest source of illegal immigrant here in Australia are citizens of the UK who just assume it's ok to overstay their visas here because we are a former colony. The people who complain about non-white immigration here usually could/would not do half the jobs many of these immigrants do (doctors, scientists, engineers etc).

immigrants integrate into indigenous communities rather than creating their own segregated sections of society

The street my grandparents lived on since before WWII was all white until the early 1960s when the first Pakistani family arrived.

By the time she died, she and one other household were the only white people on the street.

It wasn't for the lack of trying that these people did not integrate. They were all nice ordinary people. They used to bring my grandparents food for Eid.

After my grandfather died and my grandmother became ill she could phone the corner shop and ask for a loaf of bread that one of the local teenagers wold bring round.

For those who seem to think there is an overwhelming tide of family migration, you're wrong - it was actually only 13.5% of visas granted in 2010. Other visa categories such as student and work are much higher.

That is a long, but probably interesting document. I will readit in more detail later. But it is 2010, so the figures are going to be a bit out of date.
The first thing to see there is that more than have of people came from outside the EU. I am surprised by that.

As regards family migration, is it not the case that sometimes people come over here, and then bring their family members later?

Immigration is not one thing as different people bring different skills and needs with them. We need to target potential migrants who have skills are short of (e.g. Science, engineer, technology, entrepreneurship) and offer them full residency. Low skilled migrants should be offered temporary visas so that they cam be renewed or not as the economy grows and contracts.

Pressure needs to be put on unemployed UK citizens to Take low paid work so they compete with EU migrants for these jobs.

immigration can be a good or bad thing depending on how it is managed.

I think I agree with all of that post FasterStronger.

But the mums don't want to /aren't allowed to talk to White mums as other posters have noted - they've been invited to things but don't come - wise up - and open your eyes - you don't like people having other opinions to yourself nailak.

So what..they can talk to who they like, I'm sure the other mums gravitate towards people they have most in common with.

Your posts are sounding increasingly racist.

I think the sooner some people wake up to the fact that they are simply lucky to have been born in the UK, the better.

We (UK born) aren't here because we're better and more deserving than other nationalities. We're here purely by luck.

The UK has been doing immigration for a good 2000 years. Its one of the reasons that the UK has such a tolerant society that many other countries do not have.

I genuinely think most people in the UK haven't got a problem with immigrants as people but they just want the pace of immigration to be slowed to a manageable level and immigrants to be vetted before they come here to ensure they can make a contribution and pay their way with resources put in place to deal with langiuage issues in school, social housing availability, extra maternity cover in hospitals, policing resources, etc.

The immigration debate exploded because the huge influx under Labour was out of control and there was no time to integrate immigrants into society and the economy. The Labour Govt provided no extra resources to deal with the problems that they willfully denied were occcuring. The official figures under recorded the amount of immigrants for years and politicians refused to acknowledge it and instead implied anyone who spoke up was a racist.

The intense concentration of new immigrants in certain areas such as Lincolnshire which has a small economy, sparse population and fairly weak public services typical of a largely rural area is the main reason UKIP won big there - not because people in Lincolnshire are closet racists.

The influx of immigrants into London was never a problem because of its huge and fast growing economy economy, dense population and highly developed public services. The political elite of all major parties who live and work in London just dont see it is a big problem because they never experience it in their daily lives.

Dear Wallison (& anyone else who thinks racist terms are acceptable & I guess to those who - like me - find them pretty bloody vile and would prefer not to see them here)

In response to your reply to my post politely asking that you did not call my Mother a pretty racist term (also meant in the over-riding/macro sense, as in, referring to ANYONE as 'brown-faced' IS pretty bloody racist; but appreciate the obviousness of that may have escaped you), and your 'strawman' (complete with what seems to be your standard MO on this thread of an additional and wholly uncalled for/innane & additional personal 'dig' first - to a host of other posters as well as myself - mine being re me & my user name ) - response of:

Wallison Fri 03-May-13 11:25:53
'Jesus, Stoic, you could hardly have picked a less appropriate username if you tried, could you? First, I haven't mentioned your mother. Second...'

If you genuinely(????) need it spelling out, then rather than the I'd prefer to proffer, then I WILL take the time & effort TO SPELL IT OUT as it is just SO bang out of order:

StoicButStressed Fri 03-May-13 09:26:20
'I think immigration has been: way too high; way too unregulated; and has caused huge issues in some communities where local services (e.g. Primary Schools) have been pushed to breaking point as well as the more macro economic issues.'

'I write as a second generation immigrant - my Father from Ireland and my Mumma from Africa.'

Wallison Fri 03-May-13 10:11:32 [In response to another poster pointing out how bombastic; dissing/trying to 'control' or shut down other's views; patronising - iirc was a delightful snarky/'put-down' one along lines of "That's nice.... aaaaanyway... " - etc. you were being]

'I'm not controlling anyone. I'm just talking as I find, as you are. If I think you're a racist, I'll say so.....' ..... 'you just look like you are trying to find excuses for blaming brown-faced people for the country's ills.'

StoicButStressed Fri 03-May-13 11:05:02

Wallinson
'Please don't call my mother 'brown-faced'. That really IS fucking racist.'

The utter irony of 'telling' other individuals (whose posts were NOT racist, rather their simply made observations regarding strains on resources etc) that THEY are racist whilst using such a fucking awful racist term beggars belief TBH.

Am in little doubt that if you even bother to acknowledge the above (although given can see how 'dog with a bone' you were with a gazillion posts last nights, it would clearly be easy - and courteous - for you acknowledge it?), it will be laced with all the standard 'reasons' people trot out vis why it's 'okay' to refer to people as 'brown-faced' or any other racist & derogatory term

'I was obviously being ironic'
'It was a joke'
'No, it's nothing I would write - was referring to OTHER people..
Etc etc etc.

But for clear avoidance of doubt and before you go there to those standard retorts when pulled up for BEING racist/using overtly racist language, YOU wrote that. NO-ONE else did or 'made you' write that. And yeah, it was - and remains - really fucking offensive.

NB My Mumma was what people like you would call 1 of coffee/2 of white, so thank FUCK she generally wasn't subjected to much racial abuse when she arrived here in the '60s on account of being 'lucky' enough to get away with looking heavily 'tanned-faced' rather than 'brown-faced'.

fasterstronger I can see where your ideas are coming from, but;

why do you think unskilled worker do not need the same security for themselves and their families in terms of permanent employment contracts, and the benefits/rights of not being temporary/agencies workers?

We have no shortage of engineers in the UK. There has been a 40% industry wide reduction in employment in the construction sector. many of the large well known main contractors have gone out of business.