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to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

506 replies

moogy1a · 03/05/2013 08:29

Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

OP posts:
Liara · 03/05/2013 22:18

You people need to make up your minds.

The UK is not producing enough children to support the ageing population in the manner it has become accustomed to (i.e. taking more in pensions and the NHS than they have contributed in taxes in their lifetimes).

Therefore there needs to be an increasing tax base to support them.

So either

  1. The young have to be taxed until the pips squeak and have all benefits removed or
  1. people need to be imported in order to make up the shortfall in population (yes, that would be immigration.

You can't have it all ways at once, protect the pensions and the NHS and keep away all those immigrants who are willing to come here, get jobs and pay taxes.

PreciousPuddleduck · 03/05/2013 22:19

Aye, labour wards are under so much pressure because one in three babes are born to foreigners. That is why British tax payers can no longer have 1:1 care.

FreyaSnow · 03/05/2013 22:20

Dentistry is so well paid partially because there are not enough dentists. It should be a profession that the ordinary child of the benefits claimant, refuse collector and cleaner. The fact that many people feel that jobs in many health professions, a traditional route of social mobility, are becoming out of the reach of their children, is the issue of the gap between jobs and the educational opportunities open to children from ordinary backgrounds.

aftermay · 03/05/2013 22:20

Mirry2 - it's not a fucking 'race card'. Calling a point of view racist is not nasty. You still haven't said what other term to use. You'll find racist fits just perfectly.

Pan · 03/05/2013 22:22

Puddleduck - you are being serious, aren;t you?

aftermay · 03/05/2013 22:22

Puddle duck - here's a solution: get more foreigners to do the job. Hang on, the NHS already relies heavily on immigration. Your 'argument' is a bit twisted and very silly.

Pan · 03/05/2013 22:23

Because foreigners never pay tax themselves do they?Hmm

nailak · 03/05/2013 22:23

newgirl my point was they are not isolated they only seem isolated to you,

and why is it their duty to mix with you? maybe they have negative impressions of you, so why dont you do something and help the isolated people you seem to know? set up some sort of group or something? because trust me I am doing plenty in my community.

Also the majority of school places are caused by changing birth rates, for example if I go and look at my school governor notes I will be able to see the current amount of places in the borough, the projected number of places needed in the next five years and the plan the council has to meet this demand. My council, unlike many others in the country has invested and planned, despite the increase needed in my borough being about 5 times the average, which meant all children starting primary were allocated a place 98% got one of their top 3 choices and 89.21% got first choice, in comparison in the wealthy bourough of Kensington and Chelsea only 65% got their first choice.

In my area the seperate infant and juniors were both changed in to primaries, with playgrounds on the roof, staggered break and lunch times etc to manage.....

Pan · 03/05/2013 22:24

I don't think Puddles point is an argument there - it's just an ignorant xenophobic rant.

mirry2 · 03/05/2013 22:26

Aftermay - if people are taking time to change, it doesn't make them racist. Change doesn't happen overnight. And that point of mine isn't racist, it's fact.

aftermay · 03/05/2013 22:27

Puddles can keep on writing. Anyone sharing those views will want to distance themselves when they see how stupid they sound in others. I think it's just someone shitstirring, surely.

nailak · 03/05/2013 22:27

i thought that was sarcasm?

inabeautifulplace · 03/05/2013 22:27

I like the sentiment previously mentioned; we should feel some pride that our society is attractive to many people around the world. So much so that they are prepared to struggle against the language barrier, cultural differences and some local hostility. Most who come here will offer something valuable to our society.

I see examples that highlight how immigrants are exploited in the workplace, leading to poorer conditions for British people. It seems to me that the issues here are related to unscrupulous employers, not immigrants themselves.

My personal view is a desire to be an integral part of Europe. Freedom of movement is essential to that; it's naive to see net immigration as solely positive though. We could chose to leave Europe politically but we cannot leave it geographically or economically. Better to have influence IMO.

PreciousPuddleduck · 03/05/2013 22:27

I do not jest. Overseas doctors are net contributors to this country. Nobody including UKIP objects to skilled immigrants who pay tax. What drains the system are immigrants who have huge families & expect to be able to live in council houses & claim DLA because that cannot speak English. Believe me, this happens, some of you guys are just too idealistic.

nailak · 03/05/2013 22:28

we are living in post modern times, characterised by constant change, we all better get used to change...

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 22:28

Precious..you don't get DLA for not speaking English, but for being disabled

nailak · 03/05/2013 22:29

yes i live in the borough with the largest non white population in the UK, yet I am idealistic.....

nailak · 03/05/2013 22:30

fanjo my dd wants to know why i spat my tea out

aftermay · 03/05/2013 22:30

Mirry2- see my post somewhere above. If someone is 80 and racist, just how many more years dies it take them to adjust? They've lived what, 60 plus years, with immigration. How much longer I'd needed for adjustment.

Someone who is 20 and racist. They've grown up in 'multicultural' Britain their entire life. When will they adjust if their first 20 years have not been enough?

It all boils down to whether you see your fellow human being as your equal or not. And if you don't because of race or origin or language then you're racist. What else?

PreciousPuddleduck · 03/05/2013 22:32

No they get it for 'general debility' aka can't be arsed to work

aftermay · 03/05/2013 22:33

Ha ha, Puddleduck, you're without equal. Can that be stupid quote of the week please?

FreyaSnow · 03/05/2013 22:33

Nailak, I agree that people do have to get used to change, and a lot of the change that people find difficult is not even to do with ethnic minority groups. A lot of people feel stressed by their local area suddenly being full of people from a different area of the UK or from a different class background. Adjusting to change can be hard.

But the fact that people have to learn to adjust to change does not exempt the government from doing its job properly and resolving all the bigger strategic planning issues it is responsible for.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 22:34

Yes, it's so easy to get DLA.

Educate yourself, I am embarrassed for you, precious

dogsandcats · 03/05/2013 22:35

No one has answered my question about how many more immigrants to take.
10 million?
Unlimited?

Pan · 03/05/2013 22:35

Puddle - are you a UKIP supporter?