to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

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Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

it seems to me that most mnetters are under the impression that to be against more immigration makes you a racist. This is utter nonsense. My bf is indian and lovely neighbour bulgarian thats great, however the local school is over subscribed, health centre full to bursting and heaven help my kids if they ever need a council house there will be no chance.
So yes Im very happy to have voted UKIP this is a small island, we do not have enough work for the people here already and god help us all when Turkey and Roumanias floodgates open.

Aftermay, don't personalise it. I wouldn't call them anything but fairly normal people. Maybe you don't know much about psychology, but most people find change difficult.
I don't know which group of people on this thread is the more bigotted and intolerant - the ones who are anti immigration for the sake of it or the ones who shout racism instead of having a reasonable discussion.

newgirl they look like that to you, based on your assumptions, in reality you have no idea.

BJ you're right. You find people in their 80s who are racist despite having lived alongside immigrants for most of their lives (the postwar immigration, the 60s) etc. They still won't 'adjust' to immigration and you can't blame the speed of immigration on that.

Then you have idiots in their 20s who never remember a different, totally White (as that's what it often refers to) Britain, still having trouble with immigration.

It isn't because young people themselves are favouring arts. It is because there aren't enough dentistry places for all the young people who are qualified enough to meet the entrance criteria and want to apply. The same is true across various other similar professions.

Jobs like dentistry have always been popular with groups who have reason to fear prejudice - white people from poor backgrounds with no connections and people from minority ethnic groups, because those jobs are based on qualifications and ability not on nepotism or being the 'right' kind of person socially. Jobs that give people a decent income and opportunities to move either within the UK or to migrate are always going to be popular. If we think migration is a great thing then we also have to be giving our young people the opportunity to do it, not just the privileged ones who are given more choices in life.

The issue of immigration is one of integration surely.

Or lack of it by some immigrants.

your kids having no chance of council housing is because of immigrants and not the fact the housing stock was sold off?

the local school being over subscribed is to do with immigration and not the lack of forward planning by councils who would have expected the increase in children?

Mirry2 - see my post above. Change has nothing to do with it. I didn't personalise it, mine was a general question. You made it personal to me. Re-read if you can be bothered (but you'll cringe at your own words). I know pretty much about psychology. I'm sat in an armchair as we type.

No . It's an issue of not being xenophobic and accepting people as they are, even if they are different to you. Not demanding they change to be like ou.

Nailak - that is my point! Read the thread! Because they don't mix we make assumptions which does not make for community harmony. Sorry you don't like hearing it but it's happening. Ignore it or do something positive to help the isolated women you seem to know.

Immigration is ruining the NHS & our schools....

In my dds class of 30, only 3 have 2 white british parents...i dont know how many nationalities/languages we have in the school. Quite a lot of parents do not speak very good English. It doesnt stop them working/paying taxes/ volunteering at the school/ helping out at school and community events etc

Most of my friends are immigrants/are married to immigrants. All our local shops are owned by immigrants, most service providers are immigrants in my locality

People like Farage, speak about immigrants as if they are another species. He has no idea what he is talking about

only on Mumsnet could Dentistry be considered a normal profession.
income wise its in the top 0.1%
yet none of the normal immigrant earning streams are mentioned.

UKIP get their support among the bin men and toilet cleaners.

whose skin colour and background is NOT THE POINT
the jobs go to incomers because those on benefits do not want to pick the shit off public toilet bowls
a job that has actually been done by immigrants for up to 500 years

And how can councils plan for immigration whennit happens so fast?

Puddle duck - you're being sarcastic, right? Have you been in a hospital recently?

Jeez, jollygoose, you are like that Daily Mail random headline generator program.

By recent I mean the past, ooh, 20 years or so?

Think this sums it up...

www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/05/01/britain-%E2%80%98comes-out%E2%80%99-as-openly-racist/

grinkly let me tell you something, about my life, I never questioned my Britishness, I was inherently British, how could I be anything else? I was born and raised here, i went to school here, had my daughter in the same hospital I was born in, how could I be anything else?

then I made the decision to observe hijab, and my feelings of Britishness never changed, they were something I would have never considered questioning, but then others told me you are not part of our society, on the news there was Jack Straw saying it, and others questioning it, and making me feel other when I had never felt other before, on mumsnet too people have told me your choice to wear headscarf is a choice to distance yourself etc etc, but it wasnt, integrated is not something i could ever consider myself as, as it implies i was seperate to begin with! however others tell me I need to do things to be more integrated, others make me feel apart from society and let me know they dont see me as part of their society.

How can people trot out such nonsense

Nailak, I don't think you can separate the two issues. If the Government is in many ways incompetent, which many would say it is, then it is unlikely to suddenly become competent. The other option is to have less immigration so that the Government can resolve the issues it has so far failed to resolve at its usual glacial pace.

One obvious solution would be to move a lot of jobs (many public sector ones for a start) away from the South and to Scotland, Wales and depopulated areas of the North, and make sure the infrastructure is in place to cope with population growth in those areas, as they at least have more space available to build houses, schools, recreation facilities etc. This would take pressure off various cities and the the South East. Immigration could then be increased again.

X posted. Nailak's posts are very far from nonsensical and astonishingly astute

The trouble with doing a pastiche of UKIPers is that they fail to see where you are taking the piss out of them. They take the extreme piss-taking, inadvertently, as the basis of policy.

and this

www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/04/01/britons-urged-not-to-panic-after-possible-sighting-of-bulgarian/

Aftermay I have no reason to cringe. I just don't like the way that you've used the race card in response to my perfectly reasonable point of view. It's just plain nasty.