to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

[moogy1a]

Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

I wish I was no t do well acquainted with the defects in the system

So well

No, not a UKIP supporter but I can understand how people get frustrated

puddleduck

it happens. But not often. Most immigrants come here to work

It always puzzles me when right-wingers accuse liberals/lefts of being idealistic. It is the tories who are not realistic. We live in a capaitalist society and therefore it is imperative to look after the bottom of your pyramid, if you want to keep creaming off the top.

There will always be benefit claimants; the feckless, the poor, under-educated, the disabled, the unlucky. Its unavoidable. And as human beings we have a duty of care. Its called social security for a reason, also

(a bit off topic, but its a bug bear of mine)

Fun though it's been reading the total toss that people have been churning out, I am off to bed.

Keep up the good fight all you non bigots

Genuine benefit claimants could get more if the system was more stringent.

no, they couldnt puddleduck

globalization

The worldwide movement toward economic, financial, trade, and communications integration.
Globalization implies the opening of local and nationalistic perspectives to a broader outlook of an interconnected and interdependent world with free transfer of capital, goods, and services across national frontiers.

no Puddle, it doesn't work like that. 'Genuine' benefit claimants are getting screwed over. This may be news to you, but this is nothing at all to do with your "scrounging immigrants".

Yes, they could. It's all about rationing of resources. Do people on here really believe that everybody on DLA is incapable of all work????????

Yes, they could. It's all about rationing of resources

Yeah, see, that is idealistic..

i dont know, i dont know everyone on DLA

However I do believe that if we stopped fighting stupid wars we would be fifty billion better off

TBH, I don't really care where people come from as long as they pay their way just as I do. If you have worked & paid tax and are thenunfortunate to lose your job or suffer ill health them you should be looked after. How can you possibly argue with that?

You can work and receive DLA.

You are probably meaning incapacity benefit.

Educate yourself before making pronouncements

I thought DLA was a benefit connected to disability, not working. Don't some people work and get DLA?

Sorry, xpost.

dreamingbohimian but you are talking about jobs and living a life working
my question was about why would people want to come here for benefits when there are other countries paying more- it wouldn't matter if france or spain had more jobs as people are convinced that immigrants only come here to sit around claiming benefits not work... maddness as there are plenty of countries in the eu giving more in benefits

I do not see any problem with people coming to the uk to work legit

Unless you would like to arrive in this country, contribute nothing & benefit from subsidised housing & free education & health care.
You would struggle to do that anywhere else in the world!
It is not sustainable. Even the idealists must acknowledge that??

Where do you get your information??

You are frothy about scrounging immigrants and lazy dole scroungers..

Most immigrants work and pay tax
For the vast majority claiming benefits has not be a life style choice

you missing the point, we are denying that it happens in the first place.

PPD why when another 7 countries are paying more in benefits would they come to the uk? its silly really if the rules are the same as we are all in the eu why would you go to the country that was paying less in benefits - greedy people don't take 8th best they want more

I would not come here for free healthcare if I could go to France, Germany and some other EU countries. My local NHS is squalid and inefficient.

is this a nice time to remember that Britians most glorious hour of athletics was achieved by a gingernut, a black man and a mixed-race woman? Or is that just idealism gorn mad, and I made it up?

You would struggle to do that anywhere else in the world! err no wrong there are plenty of places in europe doing more and paying more....