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to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

506 replies

moogy1a · 03/05/2013 08:29

Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

OP posts:
ivykaty44 · 03/05/2013 20:56

why though would people move to britian for benefits and NHS when there are much better paying benefits countries in the EU with better health care - I think uk come out about 8th so with 7 countries paying far better and the same rules apply why would they want to come here?

Talkinpeace · 03/05/2013 20:57

they do not
the press are lying

JuliaScurr · 03/05/2013 20:57

this is why UKIP are such bad news
now it's respectable to whitter about furriners

chillinwithmyyonis · 03/05/2013 21:03

I love immigration, wouldn't have met my dp otherwise and he contributes far more to society than most of these idiots whinging about forriners. But in the near future we probably will emigrate and give two fingers to all you racist zenophobes out there (til we meet the next lot!).

mirry2 · 03/05/2013 21:04

Moogila you are only saying what lots of people are thinking.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 21:05

TalkinPeace..my point is..your posts are seriously racist.

Talkinpeace · 03/05/2013 21:10

Fanjo
please explain.
I did not realise I was, but am open minded to explanation.

but remember that observation of difference without prejudice is not racism :

my home country has overtly racist positive discrimination practices that I have to accept.
My rejection of them is that I think that any arse who discriminates on the basis of skin colour (or sex) deserves their business to hit the wall.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 21:12

It's Friday..I CBA, maybe someone else will

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 21:13

Oh, your tripe about positive discrimination is bigoted as hell too.

dogsandcats · 03/05/2013 21:17

re education.
People arrive here not being able to speak the language on a lot of occasions do they not, and also their children.
Their children do not, on the whole,need no help with the language do they?
Interpreters etc [dont exactly know who] need to be emploed do they not?
So the poster who is saying about children being fluent at 2 languages at least at age 11, has missed the 3-11 age group, no?
At first glance here on this thread, reading these posts, I still say some of them are way off are they not?

I have not had to seriously think about all this before.
I live in an area that only has a few immigrants. And I think the oppurtunity to vote UKIP has rarely arisen.
Certainly there was nowhere on my ballot paper this week.

SamraLee · 03/05/2013 21:19

I'm an immigrant and I dislike having so many immigrants in England.

nailak · 03/05/2013 21:20

talkinpeace it is your assumptions that are causing offence "block on mums working", british muslim women have lower earning capacity Confused British Muslims do not teach their kids English as they dont care about their education, British Muslim women are so thick they dont know other people are claiming their benefits etc

Talkinpeace · 03/05/2013 21:20

Fanjo
it may be friday but I'm from the USA.
Positive discrimination on race grounds is a fact at University level.
The reasons it was set up were as they were, but the link betweek skin hue and university entry serves nobodies long term interests.

and to get back to the OP,

can we agree that UKIP are arses and that 'immigrants' are NOT the problem?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 21:20

Leave then, or be a hypocrite

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 21:21

My post was to Samra

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 21:22

Have never met anyone who bitches about 'positive discrimination' who isn't a bigot

newgirl · 03/05/2013 21:24

I think if you move country it's good manners to learn the language I would not dream of moving to France etc without becoming fluent. It is a complete barrier. Good point about women having vital role in the home. But not mixing creates barriers of understanding.

nailak · 03/05/2013 21:25

dogsandcats interpreters are not needed in infants and nursery! the kids pick up the language! maybe in years 5 and 6, I am a governor at a nursery where a lot of kids come with no English, their attainment on entry is lower in language as it is based on English, but their progress is around 2 sub levels a term where as on average 3 sub levels per YEAR is considered good.

On the whole children need NO help with the language at this age!

and it is not just people who arrive here, people who have been here who have kids born here, who are aware of childrens language development in the early years and who have educated themselves on the topic, choose to focus on a language apart from English in the home, as they know it is in the best interest of the child in the long run!

nailak · 03/05/2013 21:27

newgirl the stock response to that is Brits abroad spain etc, but that would be too predictable! lol

what do you mean by barriers of understanding?

likeitorlumpit · 03/05/2013 21:28

moogy1a if your british your not allowed to say jack shit with out being accused of something nowadays and people getting all hysterical .

Talkinpeace · 03/05/2013 21:29

nailiak
I'll admit to my face to face info being out of date by 10 year - my current suburb is very white
but in this city there is still a real problem with non integrated 'subcontinent' wives.
I'd be delighted to hear that it is diminishing.
I know that the hindus ans sikhs are belting at getting their kids through the systems. I assume the west indians and muslins are now on the case.

fanjo
Obama is talking about restricing the rules at US colleges.
I'm not affected, just an observer.
and I'm not bitching : I'm a pro science bod - exclusion of good lateral thought is BAD for science.

dreamingbohemian · 03/05/2013 21:30

ivy I'd say mostly because there are more jobs in the UK, even now (well, London and SE England anyway)

I live in France, which has better health care, more benefits, etc, but it is so much harder for immigrants to find jobs (and in my personal opinion, there is a lot more racism/intolerance of immigrants here).

I had to go to a day-long integration seminar here, it was with mostly African and Asian immigrants. When the lecturer said, 'In France, you cannot be discriminated against on the basis of your race, ethnicity or religion', the whole room just burst out laughing.

I'm not sure that would happen in the UK. And I know there are costs to immigration, but I think Brits really should be proud that so many people want to come to their country for a better life.

nailak · 03/05/2013 21:31

you know what I have the same issue with some mums, and I dress like a Muslim, so I don't think it is anything to do with religion! lol

nailak · 03/05/2013 21:32

you cannot be discriminated against but if you want to follow your religion you can be refused access to schooling or fined? how did he back that up exactly? I am Confused

newgirl · 03/05/2013 21:33

I think if we are all going to get along and not have ukip and other awful views then some communities need to be friendlier. The mums i know don't go to school fairs, fundrsusing, birthday parties, coffee mornings, or help at school. Our kids get on but the mums haven't mixed from reception. It feels unfriendly to me. No small talk about kids, what did you do today etc.