to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

[moogy1a]

Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

I have a friend who works extremely hard in taking adult ed out into the community and has an absolute commitment to engaging with women with this profile .....the greatest difficulty is cultural. Many have husbands who forbid external contact, and the community leaders can be very resistant.
The odd one or two women who have emerged as 'leading lights' .... and potential voluntary teachers within their own communities .... are frequently subjected to strong peer disapproval.

It is far from an easy situation to unravel.

Oh. And I dont need a study or research quoted at me thank you.
A cursory glance at Britian is sometimes all that is needed.

sorry ... should have referenced my post to newgirl. Just can't type fast enough to keep up

I agree with mummgran - I think the mums want to make friends but are not able to for many reasons. It's not easy for them either. Sschool places are a huge issue in our city that gets worse each year. We have 30 languages in school - it's not a local baby boom!

Talkinpeace: 'What goes around comes around.'

Are you saying that due to Britain (not England, but Britain) having an empire, it is justifiable that anything done in the name of colonisation is now entirely acceptable to do to the general British population, you and your children?

If not, what relevance does our former role as a colonial power have to do with what decisions should or should not be made about immigration now?

Some scarily xenophobic posts on this thread

Many of the people now in the UK with bugger all UK language skills

• which as a first generation problem I have a REAL problem with

are actually nothing to do with the EU : they link to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh in 1947.

The more recent immigrants - particularly the Poles are an undeniable economic positive.

RE : Lanuages in schools : some of the WORST offenders are British born Muslims.
DH was recently at a school in a MASSIVE immigrant area : the new arrivals pay for tutors to get their kids 'home counties' accents by the time they are ten.
By the time thay are in the 6th form they will be as invisible as I am and their parents will be on 40% tax.

UKIP need to read more

I meant that a cursory glance at schools, NHS etc is all that is needed in this circumstance to establish the pressures on them concerning this subject.

Talkinpeace, I find that post offensive

New girl - why does it annoy people that four children attend school whose mums, shock horror, don't want to socialise with you. Having read your comments, neither would I!

What a fucking depressing thread. Hate away, people. If it makes you feel good:(

Immigration is a complex issue. Im for it overall, I've had nothing but good experiences from it.

But, this election proves a large number of British voters are worried about how it works right now, and not 50 or 150 or 500 years ago.

Ignoring it is the reason the 3 main parties are in the situation they are in.

Continuing to ignore the issue and to call those questioning it "racists" and "xenophobes" just shows minds more closed as those you are accusing. (They are voting democratically let us remember, and this is not a one party state with only one view allowed)

Fanjoforthemammaries
please clarify
the whole post is based on my experience as a first generation economic migrant
AND
DH's wide experience with schools over the UK

why is what I said offensive?

talkinpeace as I say .... I walk like you, I look like you, I talk like you but you'd be horrified to know I am not you! I quite like listening to the masses on their perceived immigration rants.

Your attitude towards Muslims is seriously offensive.

Hth

Muslim is not a nationality so I don't know why the word has come up in this thread? The fact it has shows islamaphobia.

Few points dogsandcats children who are fluent in multiple languages have better outcomes at age 11 then children who can only speak English, and no specialist teaching is usually given to children who enter primary with no English? so I do not see how this is a drain, in fact it is something which boosts results.

As for these women who speak no English and don't contribute anything, I think this is a feminist point concerning valuing the unpaid work and caring responsibilities that women do in society.

My best friends Mum came from Somalia when my friend was about 7 or eight, she came with 5 of her own kids plus her half brother who was a kid. She never worked, she did however raise 6 kids, of which one is now a policeman, one a doctor, one works for MENCAP and so on, she remains at home which enables both her daughters and their husbands to work. She also helps people in need a lot, with food, support, babysitting. Would you say she hasn't contributed to society? btw her husband is a taxi driver in another city as he moved to where the work was and supports her.

I agree nailak.

Fanjo
you are conflating.

Do you deny that british women who happen tofollow the muslim faith have equal earning capacity as other groups?
or do you accept that in ghettos such as Leicester, benefits are claimed, often without the knowledge of the women -to maintain social segregation.

call me racist all you like, but immigrants are not the problem - UK citizens with deeply sexist social hierarchies are the REAL problem.

I don't tend to make sweeping and denigratory generalizations about entire sections of society thanks,Talkin,

Unlike some.

Mumngran - my sentiments exactly.

talkinpeace erm because there are many British born muslims on this thread who have no idea what you going on about.

In my Childrens centre before nursery families are advised to concentrate on the child being fluent in the home language as language skills are about more then which language you talk in, they are about having the skills to communicate effectively, it doesnt matter what language, once you have the skills English is easily picked up for children under 5 once in nursery, and this improves their outcomes at age 11. However if they focus on English under five, and the parents are not confident in it, the child will not effectively learn the skills of language, grammar, tenses etc but will learn broken English, and this will take longer to correct, also once past five language learning is done like an adult, so they are unlikely to ever be fluent in their home language which will worsen outcomes.

nailak
we cross posted :

I utterly agree that some mothers have taken the opportunity of living in the UK to break free and sent their daughters to University too
BUT
the fact that FGM and sharia law have crept into the UK show that the tide flows both ways

and yes, Islam should not be the issue BUT : when you check the detailed statistics, the block on mums working makes it a cost to the UK taxpayer ...

talkin peace, at least you admitting not all Muslims are immigrants which is a nice change to if you dont like our rules go back to where you came from...

what block? i know plenty of muslim mums who work?

there is also me I don't work, however like I said this is about valuing unpaid work within society, people should have a choice to be SAHM unless they are Muslims, then their choice to be SAHMs then it is because of their religion and they need to break free?

what is your understanding of shariah law? in what ways has it crept in, and how have these had a negative impact on women? and what has that got to do with immigrants, because i thought you were talking about British born Muslims

nailak fanjo

my point is that UKIP blame it all on "immigrants"
but the UK born - unlike me - have the brown faces that UKIP actually object to. SO they are just racists.
AND
UKIP do not recognise that many, many immigrants - of all hair and skin colours - add to the tax and business take in this country
regardless of religion.

to to go back to the OP

the answer is
NO
and if you think so, you need to read more.