Secondary school uniform & micro mini skirts - AIBU?

[Damselion]

Walking past our local secondary school at home time this afternoon and I was literally gobsmacked at the length of the skin tight micro mini skirts, they came up to the line of their bums & you could literally see one girls crotch, luckily she had tights on.

AIBU to think the teachers should send them home to put a more appropriate skirt on?! I'm starting to feel like an old codger but DD will be starting there soon and I'm just hoping there isn't pressure to be overtly sexual from such a young age, it's makes me kinda sad.

My son is starting secondary school in september and both girls and boys wear trousers.... It's quite an unattractive uniform (though not as unattractive as when everyone obligatorily wore tracksuit bottoms,which have now been changed to trousers) though I like the fact that it is based on comfort. They are very specific on what type of trousers as well, and these can only be purchased from a particular shop .

I have to say that YANBU OP, and having two daughters (now in Year 2 and 4) who will later follow ds to his secondary school, I am glad that the whole sexing up of the uniform has been taken out of the equation at this school, as believe me, I can see NO WAY that it could be done:

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they are like those stretchy belts we wore in the 80s I guess if they are wearing them with tights your not seeing anything and these girls didnt invent mini skirts you know and girls have been altering school uniform for decades , dd1 wore 1 with thick tights when she was in 5/6 year it is just a skirt although I do think they are short for school but the school must not say a length for their skirts

HAHA!

Send them to my old school! I left 6 years ago and it still haunts me. The Headmistress ruled with a fist so ironclad she made Margaret Thatcher look like a fluffy Easter bunny.

After the morning assembly and prayer (because it was Roman Catholic) she'd line up all the girls and have them kneel. If the skirt then didn't cover the knee, the girl would be pulled aside, had their parents contacted, and had to wear a skirt from "Grubby Arse", which was a great big box filled with old bits of clothing, so named because a boy once had to wear some trousers from it that had blatantly been shat in at some point.

I hated that school.

Rolled up my skirts in the 80s and dds wear minus or skin right trousers.

It's what teens do. They like to annoy adults and look older.

It was ever thus.

Please can we not call schoolgirls 'sluts' or 'looking like prostitutes' though. That is really nasty.

I do think some of them look like a naughty schoolgirl kissogram though, or Britney Spears in that video.

And doesn"t every generation find their own way to upset the boring safe "you just don"t understand" old people (me,most likely) at my school (70"s) it was , although this is sooo tame ,dying the front part of your hair blond whilst having a "ziggy" hairstyle, and ,having a huge tie knot ! told you it was tame ,but the hell from the teachers ,well that was fun,but then they could hit you with a lochgellie tawse if they thought you were "taking the piss" , how i loved those perv sadistic teachers ! i pissed them of by getting great grades,ha !

Malinoise hits the nail on the head.

If you abolished uniform, soon the novelty would wear off and the DCs would just wear hoddies and jeans.

Local six formers at non uniform schools and collages look nice, the skirts at the only one with uniform are incredibly short and the jumpers unspeakably tatty (they don't have to use the uniform shop. I suspect Primark. They look awful).

DDs' school went through a phase of very short skirts, they also wear knee high socks to make the look even sexier better.
I think they had a crack down on it which did work apart from the usual rebellious girls. The crack down included making them all use rucksacks to my three DDs horror! That is more relaxed now though.

I was never that bothered, sometimes even thought excessive uniform rules and time wasting was pointless when the uniform never looked that bad.

I didn't go out and buy short skirts, equally didn't buy knee length things as I knew DDs would never wear them and roll them up even more! DDs all had the regulation school skirt and I knew it was long enough even with one 'roll'. If DDs chose to roll it up out of my sight, that was their choice to walk around her (all girls) school showing off her thighs and feeling cool. It was all to fit in and completely normal for teenage girls to want to do. They grow out of it.
By sixth form I am glad to say they start commenting how disgusting it looks when walking behind year 10 and 11 girls with rolled up skirts showing their knickers.

I did the same when I was at school, when I actually went that is.

It's not the fault of schoolgirls that their uniform has been colonised by pornland.

They're just trying to be fashionable the same way the boxer short boys are. Cept no one accuses them of looking like sluts.

Never understood it even when I was at school
School uniform looks foul. Rolled up skirts look like foul rolled up skirts
So big fail if they want to look sexier

And if its an act of rebellion then they are mere amateurs.

All a bit pointless

most pointless of all is that intelligent HTs get into a battle the DCs will always win.

Yes I know private girls schools with kilts and no ties where generally the pupils look smart, but even there they can't stop the girls growing and the skirts getting shorter.

At your average state school uniform is always going to be a total loosing battle.

My uniform was perfect, I never did up my top button, but I tied neat big knots. My coat, was however, bright pink.

On one school trip the HT ended up handing coats out of a great heap. Everyone else he waited to come up, mine he handed me with a look of utter disgust. By this point he'd probably been itching to tell me off for 4 years. It was a relatively poor rural area with no big shops, he knew that certain demands were not worth it.

All school uniform should consist of trousers or, at a push, culottes/long shorts. Same uniform rules for girls and boys.

Most likely half the reason they're.doing it is because of being told 'skirts must be no shorter than this'. it's just part of teenage rebellion and wanting to make independent choices.
I don't think it's a problem really, anymore than what they choose to wear shopping or to a party is.

YANBU if schools sent them home and didn't let them back until they were dressed appropriately it would soon stop.

Ah I remember the days when I would roll my skirt right up and unbutton my shirt and get yelled at. The getting yelled at was the point.

Here is the thing, they are children they are doing it to get a reaction. So you give them a reaction and it is like reinforcing a toddler's tantrum.

So you smile indulgently at them, tell them not to worry, they will grow out of it.

They don't look like 'sluts' or 'prostitutes' they look like teenage girls trying to get a reaction from the grown ups around them.

MissyMooandherBeaverofSteel - I don't think they wear them for the comfort factor... I don't want DD to feel she needs to be overtly sexual in order to be attractive or cool.

You are entirely missing the point. It is teenage rebellion. Just inside the door a teacher will be making them unroll their skirts, put their ties straight etc.

I was in highschool early 80s when skirts were generally mid calf, ours had to be 'knee length' so we would see how long we could get away with. Or have a frilly underskirt hang down a bit lower.

My DDs kilt is supposed to sit on her knee.
It does in fact sit just below her knee when she leaves the house.
I very much doubt it stays like that, judging by the girls I have seen walking home.

What the school have done however is ban over the knee socks and stockings. If any of the girls turn up in those, they are immediatley given a new pair of white ankle socks to wear. So the tiny skirt/over knee sock combo has stopped.

But I do not think the school should be spending all this time chasing students and actually sending them home over a few inches of skirt tbh.

I see more underwear at ds1 school as the boys wear their trousers so low on their hips, you can see more boxer shorts than necessary.
The teachers are forever telling them to pull up their trousers or buy a belt.
Do they listen? No.
Also their tie has to have 7 stripes. The most amazing waste of time award goes to ds1 form teacher who spends morning form counting the stripes on everyone's tie and making them change it to 7.
I understand that is the rules, but honestly? Will it change the way they learn if the tie only has 6 stripes?

Amen Freddie.

My personal view on school uniform is coverage from ankle to neck. But I don't suppose for one minute that it wouldn't pass without a major battle.

But these aren't rolled up uniform skirts, they are tiny little Lycra belt like things that often show buttock! I find this trend (see the tiny shorts they wear too) to be quite creepy tbh. I was in the supermarket and saw a teenage girl with her mum, the shorts were so small and tight you could see half her buttocks and the outline of her vulva. It bothers me that very young women are dressing like this and especially at school. I know 'it was ever thus' but although we rolled our skirts at school nobody's buttocks were visible!

It has always been the same and probably always will. We were not allowed short skirts at school and we had them the correct length when we had to and rolled them up when out if sight.
It is what teenagers do.

Speak for yourself Ehric I used to have a pair of cutoffs so short a good inch of the pocket lining was visible. Mum used to go mental, so I would wear them under something else and then as soon as I was out of sight take the something else off. Thus getting one over on my Mum (as if).

I was a teenager in the late 80s early 90s.

We had neon lycra belts skirts and those slouchy t-shirts where you could pretty much have a boob out if you really tried.

Ninja you could get them to go neck to ankle if you told them that under no circumstances were they do to so.

They are just kids being kids. The problem is the adult perception.

Our school skirts were standard from school shop, reasonable length. Then school taught us dressmaking and was surprised when we took them up (no rolls) and wore the same skirt for the five years. By the time I was in Y11 they'd had a complaint from a significant visitor that he hadn't known where to look on the stairs, and they moved to pleats. Which the girls still rolled up.

Fashion goes by school. We wore ours with ludicrously baggy jumpers. School is regularly top ten nationally for results.

It is what teenagers do, and it has always been the way it is ... but no one can deny that that things are more extreme these days and the line is getting pushed further and further.

Late 80s i did mini skirts/rolling up of skirts at school. No way on earth any girls would have done the stocking and suspender thing back then though, or had their arse cheeks hanging out. No one would have had a problem in loudly saying that is an overtly sexual way to dress and totally inappropriate.

It makes me wonder where there is left for kids to go, with regards to 'rebellious' clothes now we've got as far as stockings and suspenders with micro minis at school. What's next - peep hole bras with the shirt undone? Will that be laughed off as liberation and rebellion when the time comes?

I find it worrying. This overt sexualisation of women/young girls doesn't feel like liberation or rebellion to me.

YANBU to hate it but can you imagine the post 'My daughter had to miss a day of school because of her skirt FFS!" As others have said, schools can and do impose rules whilst at school but its very hard to anything about what they do to and from (though my school has senior staff up town at lunchtime on patrol). Depends on what kind of relationship the school has with the parents over whether they can impose a particular skirt to be bought and the action they can take if that is not adhered to.