Margaret Thatcher to get full ceremonial funeral - have they gone mad?

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Its bloody disgraceful - a tory/establishment decision that insults many. We should riot in the streets on the same day.

I fear becuase she had a film made about her everyone has forgetten what she actually did - including devastating whole communities - and now we are expected to stump up for her lavish funeral?

Bloody disgrace

(oh and she definietly wasn't a feminist icon either!)

Hmm. I just wonder whether those who want to 'riot' about the state funeral ever bother their arse to actually campaign for real changes that might help people here and now. Public money may be spent at her funeral, but she was a prime minister, the highest public office we have, so it follows that she is buried as such. I am no fan, but I think people hold her up as a pantomime villain and are using her death as a way of venting pointless anger. We currently have the modern day equivalent in power - do something constructive about the way he is trampling on the vulnerable. Or maybe see if you outlive DC and picket his funeral, that'll be useful.

If you are not happy with the politicians why don't you do something yourself? No party or leader can please everyone & tough decisions have to be made.
It is easy to moan rather than get up & do something yourself.
MT was the first woman PM in an era when things very difficult for women. Whether we agree with her policies or not, she should be respected for this alone imo.

Mizk - looks like we think alike!

Hmm. I just wonder whether those who want to 'riot' about the state funeral ever bother their arse to actually campaign for real changes that might help people here and now. Public money may be spent at her funeral, but she was a prime minister, the highest public office we have, so it follows that she is buried as such. I am no fan, but I think people hold her up as a pantomime villain and are using her death as a way of venting pointless anger. We currently have the modern day equivalent in power - do something constructive about the way he is trampling on the vulnerable. Or maybe see if you outlive DC and picket his funeral, that'll be useful.

Fargo
Bits of the country may have been in a far better state but other bits were not.

Spot the problem.

I don't feel any joy at the death of a frail old woman and I have some respect for he honesty as politician even if I didn't like her policies, but I don't want to pay for her funeral.

Mizk
"but she was a prime minister, the highest public office we have, so it follows that she is buried as such"

But no PM since Churchill has been buried as such. e.g. Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Eden etc none of them had a ceremonial funeral.

chaz true, I suppose I think they should all get some sort of official funeral though. Would certainly make it less of an issue with the controversial ones!

chaz true, I suppose I think they should all get some sort of official funeral though. Would certainly make it less of an issue with the controversial ones!

A ceremonial funeral is not the same as state funeral.

How many on her can remember the last STATE funeral (Winston Churchill 1965)? I was alive, but no memory.

Even the Queen Mum was not given a Royal State Funeral.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmmMon 08-Apr-13 17:14:34

Hypocrisy ? The Left always show their true colours in the end.
Ad nauseam, they try to maintain their entitlement to the moral high ground. But threads and comments over the last week,with changes to benefits in the offing, have revealed a lot of unpleasant, bitter and very intolerant people. I suspect Thatchers death will be another chance for them to spew their bile. Let them. A timely reminder of the particular type Thatcher fought against

Like the colours that the right showed last week when they used six dead children to make a political point and further their agenda on welfare cuts by trying to make it look like ALL claimants are like Mick Philpott.

No they didn't. The left joyfully, and I mean joyfully, were the ones who attributed to Osborne a link he never made between Philpott and ALL benefit claimants. If there was a link to be made, it would be quite correct to make a link between him and a certain type of benefit claimant. The type which apparently "don't exist" or are 0.00000001 % of the benefit claimant population. I hold no brief for the Daily Mail, the paper makes me feel ill. But revulsion for the antics of the DM are no excuse (imho) for the sort of nonsense I expect to see over the next weeks.

But bile,and hate, whether from the left or the right, is not helpful.

Given the level of very real hatred, she should not be having a ceremonial funeral. Keep it private and but maybe have a memorial service some months down the line if the powers that be want to honour her.

I don't think she should be having a ceremonial funeral. She was Prime Minister yes and a woman yes. It was different for Churchill as he was a war time PM. I think given the current climate of cuts and so on it isn't a good idea to have a ceremonial funeral. Heads of State present and gun carriages and military and so on. No. I don't approve.

She was our primeminister and DEMOCRATICALLY elected in 3 successive elections. How many other prime ministers have that honour.

That makes her rather special.

I really think it would be best if her funeral were private.

There were those that objected to Churchill getting a state funeral. His career wasn't without blemish or sectors of the population that he annoyed (both nationally and internationally). The collective memory only remembers the war but there were compromises and poor decisions along the way. She is getting this honour because of her position on the world stage. If she didn't get this treatment other countries would wonder why and because she is a very prominent public figure. There are probably as many people that would want it as don't - why are their wishes not as important in our democracy? And as to the cost - in the scheme of Whitehall waste it will be a drop in the ocean.....

what is the difference between A ceremonial funeral and a state funeral.

"what is the difference between A ceremonial funeral and a state funeral."

(I think) it is which way the cannons are drawn...duh!

oops "Spouses and widows of monarchs usually receive a ceremonial funeral, which differs only in the fact that the gun carriage bearing the coffin is drawn by horses, as opposed to sailors."

Double duh!!

Its bloody disgraceful - a tory/establishment decision that insults many. We should riot in the streets on the same day.

Rioting or protesting at a funeral. Nice. I despair with attitudes like that.

why is public money being wasted on this,her family can afford a private funeral, when the goverment are taking money away from disabled people