to not shed a single tear?

[ModernToss]

BBC saying that Thatcher has died following a stroke

Given that she counted Jimmy Saville and Jeffrey Archer as her close friends, I couldn't give two tosses what her friends think

Er, we were all duped by Jimmy Saville. He hid behind his charity work. Your basically accusing MT of knowing of his perverse behaviour. Now that is speaking ill of the dead. Disgusting.

CharlMascara, you could say very similar stuff about Hitler.

Love it or loathe it he left a legacy.

For some that is the persecution and death of millions of Jews and other minorities, for others it is policy that transformed the country, building that Autobahn and ensuring almost full employment.

His death effectively signalled the end of the war, but of course we mustn't ever celebrate that, must we?

YANBU ModernToss. I shall be listening to Tramp The Dirt Down tonight and wondering why it took so long. The hagiographies currently running on every BBC station are making me want to vomit, hopefully C4 news will have some balance tonight.

I find the idea that hating her is misogynistic laughable. She may have been the first female PM but she did nothing to promote women's rights either within or without her cabinet.

I also think it's fucking disgusting that they are considering any sort of ceremonial funeral unless the Tory party are paying for it themselves.

Now that is speaking ill of the dead. Disgusting

Yes and she deserves to be spoken ill of! Being dead doesn't earn you immunity from criticism.

I am not accusing her of knowing about his kiddy fiddling but her friends and offspring are almost as contemptible as she is.

HoHoHo, you've just spoken ill of the dead, unless Jimmy Saville isn't dead?

What have her friends and offspring got to do with anything FFS, talk about going off topic. If one of your friends/off spring do something YOU dont agree with will you be happy for people to judge YOU as a result. I doubt it.

As for speaking ill of the dead, please have some decorum.

Some of the comments on this thread are vile.

so once someone dies they are free from all criticism and dislike are they? They are given some saintly status where no one should dare mention the horrific things they done?

I can't feel anything other than loathing for a woman who put so many people through so much misery, the impact of her policies is still reverberating today.

So how should I be feeling when someone I loathed dies? I know how I am feeling, and it's perfectly valid.

Op pointless thread, keep your crass feelings to yourself

Between the DM Phillpott shit-storm and this I think we're going to need to give the nation's bakeries a heads up on the bun production front....

Baroozer what I've said about Jimmy Saville was fact, he was proved to be guilty of certain crimes. Margaret Thatcher has not been proved to know of her friends crimes yet a poster was insinuating she had knowledge.

Elsie, well said. Especially the point about feminism.

What's crass about it piglet? What's crass about not being upset at someone you despised passing on?

I don't feel indifferent about the person. I cannot feel indifferent about her death.

HoHoHo, it doesn't matter if it was fact or not. You said it was disgusting to speak ill of the dead. Saying that Jimmy Savile abused children is speaking ill of the dead.

Perhaps you should have said that it is disgusting to make assumptions about the dead?

And we weren't ALL duped by his charity work. The children he abused certainly weren't duped.

I will make a final comment on it Baroozer as this is taking it off topic but by accusing someone of something they're not guilty of is disrespectful and therefore speaking ill of someone. My comments of JS are fact. There have been many comments on here about MT's deeds over the years, some deemed horrible but they were fact, she is not being accused of something she didn't do. Other comments were vile, like talk of dancing on graves etc which I personally are vile and speak ill of the dead. You're welcome to see it your own way but that's how I see it.

I think its disgraceful people celebrating her death. Have some compassion for a fellow human being and her family.

Personally its attitudes like this that make me feel sad about the world we live in. The actions of ordinary people make up more about the world we live in than a single politician if we had more kindness, compassion and patience towards each other then our country would be much nicer place.

Grow up and remember if you have nothing nice to say then best you say nothing at all.

yet a poster was insinuating she had knowledge

No I wasn't insinuating anything. It was a response to those who were bleating on - 'Whatever she did she was somebody's mother and somebody's friend.'

The only subtext to what I said was that.

1. Thatcher was a cunt
2. Her kids and late husband were cunts
3. Her friends were mostly cunts. (Including Gen Pinochet)

So I don't care if those still living are upset by a negative comment.

Compassion? Why?

I've not actually seen that many dancing on her grave/opening the champagne type posts.
I've seen a lot saying they don't particularly care, and many that despised her policies.
It's all the frothers jumping around being disgusted that people aren't coming on with eulogies that seem to be the majority around here.
I loathed the woman and her policies, I'm entitled to that view, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm sad when I'm not, any more than I'm going to say I'm celebrating.

?The feminists hate me, don?t they? And I don?t blame them. For I hate feminism. It is poison.?

Margaret Thatcher to her political adviser.

How do you hide a thread?

See underneath everyone's post Pigs? there's a 'Hide this thread'. Just click on it.

I really object to people implying that anyone who hated Margaret Thatcher's policies is somehow a misogynist, what absolute tripe. I was born in the early 1970s and lived in the north, I don't think I need to give any further explanation of why I loathed her when she was in power. I cheered and celebrated the day she left Downing Street, knifed in the back by her own party, a downfall that couldn't have been more fitting. Her death today provokes no real feelings, her private life after office is nothing to do with me. Anyway, having witnessed dementia in a close relative I think that it is enough of a punishment for anyone's misdemeanours - I truly wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I take issue with the numpties who feel she did so much for women though. In no way was she a feminist, she despised feminists and did no favours for women generally. It is also widely acknowledged that she favoured her son over her daughter.