To expect mums to get their children vaccinated?

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Met two mums at play group today who said they didn't/weren't. Their reasons were autism, all that stuff on the Internet, drugs companies making money and keeping their children 'clean'. WTF?? Am I right in thinking their kids are safe though because 'the herd' is immunised? I just think there's a certain mother type who thinks anything 'non-natural' or scientific is wrong. Rant over

YABU,vaccine damage is a real risk. My generation had Mumps, measles and chicken pox and rubella and in the main took it in our stride. I had measles and chicken pox as an adult and they were not really that bad.

I weighed the whole thing up and looked at the various scientific views. We eventually had the first MMR vaccinations and the polio vaccine, but nothing else.

higgle has summarized the general view of anti-vaxers quite nicely, I think.

kungfu they did not now down to public pressure. And if you want to read post again properly, they did not find a link with autism but with other side effects from having the mixed jab. Most notably non viral meningitis.

I meant bow lol

I agree with the OP and have 2 autistic children (1 DS, 1 Dsd) It's genetic imho, not caused by vaccines and not cured by wacky diets or supplements. We have got so complacent now about diseases that were real killers only a generation ago, that some mums now think they are now being healthy and "natural" to leave their kids unvaccinated, even against diphtheria, polio, tetanus etc. v odd. Andrew Wakefield is treated as some sort of martyred hero now by many such mums, though I believe he is now living v happily in the US earning millions with a new "clinic" (he was struck off in the UK)

Higgle, Maybe they weren't that bad for you but the plural of anacdote is not evidence.
Statistically, more children would be harmed by these diseases than by a vaccine. Many many more. I don't see how people can argue with that.
(Though I did state in an earlier post I do sympathise with concerns)!

YANBU at all. Any parent who has a child who can be vaccinated has a moral obligation to have them vaccinated IMO. This protects all members of society including those who cannot be vaccinated. Anything else is selfish and self-indulgent.

And how is the NHS paying for my stupidity? I am perfectly capable of paying for it myself.

And to be honest Kungfu, you sound incredibly rude.

Enough with the personal attacks, people, please.

Rephrasing so not misconstrued as a personal attack as none were intended and I'm sorry if they were seen as such.

If people wish to purchase single vaccines and fund their own silliness, that is fine. I don't think anyone else should have to foot the bill.

yabu for not understanding that you have been brainwashed by the government and pharma companies.

none of mine are vaxed,never have never will.loads of reasons,some you mentioned,some you didnt,but if you are happy to let someone inject aborted fetal tissue and alluminium into your baby then fine.im not.

hiding thread now as i have said all i have to say :-)

I respect people's choices but I do not respect ridiculous hysterical paranoid posts like the above one! Gives non-vaxers a bad name and ammunition to those who do judge...........

The problem with this topic is that so many people have intensely emotive and upsetting stories which, while purely anecdotal, have more impact on reading than any amount of sensible scientific evidence.

Already we have had somebody with a profoundly disabled relative as a result of the vaccine and somebody else with a profoundly disabled relative as a result of measles. Obviously both can happen (in very very rare circumstances) so it's not surprising that parents can feel so conflicted about how best to protect their child.

I vaccinated as I don't believe any of the scare stories and think the tiny risk of a problem occuring due to catching one of the diseases is higher than the miniscule risk of a problem occuring due to vaccination. But, if I had a harrowing story to tell, maybe I would think differently.

Unfortunately I think it is actutally important that people try to look past such horror stories and vaccinate anyway because, by not doing, they are essentially saying that it is necessary for others to expose their children to risk as long as they don't have to do it themselves. If nobody vaccinated we would have a big problem.

It also doesn't help that people keep sharing their stories then hiding the thread, thus missing out on the calm, scientific reassurance that others are posting that might help them change their minds.

crash what part specifically about the post by amber was ridiculous?

Isn't it astonishing that this foetus that was aborted in the 60s has enough tissue to apparently be injected into thousands of babies 50 years down the line. Or maybe not.

Even the catholic church says that using vaccines that were created using aborted foetuses is ok, because vaccination is so important. They just say that new vaccines should be created without using aborted foetuses.

So what DID you hear raffles?

But Raffles, you have no idea if what you overheard came from a point of knowledge or just the scaremongering that was going on at the time (even health professionals believed some of the quite mad and now internationally discredited views about MMR and autism).

And yes, I do know about severe autism. My ds is 18 and severely autistic (with all the violence and obsessions that come with it). He is also in residential and has been for 4 years with 3:1 care. He was autistic from day one. He had his MMR and the booster with no side effects.

Then it's very fortunate that we now know that there is no scientific evidence of a relationship between autism and vaccines and that, in fact, vaccines can reduce the incidence of autism by reducing in utero exposure to diseases like rubella.

There was a Louis Theroux documentary on living with chikdren with severe autism. He came away with the deepest respect for parents, soldiering on in very challenging circumstances. It was very moving and certainly if vaccines could cause such a condition it would be very worrying, but they don't, they help protect against it.

What patronising drivel. 'Soldiering on' what a way to describe a life, but hey at least Louis Theroux has the greatest respect for us. (Read my blog for why I loathe being patronised just because we love our son).

Do any of you with such interest in autism actually know what research money is being spent on? There's quite an active research area on the immune system as it's known that in some autisms (autism is not one thing blah blah blah) the immune system shows abnormal responses. There's also quite a lot of money being invested in environmental factors.

Unfortunately too much research still treats autism as one thing (a bit like looking for triggers of lung cancer while examining melanomas) but that is slowly changing.

As Raffles said I have had senior medics agree that vaccinations may be a feature in some cases. Albeit a small number. And I know of children who have ended up in ICU post vaccination who have been told the same. Although the parents have also be warned that it would be very difficult to price.

Oh raffles there was some research published this week regarding a link between autism and allergy. I haven't actually read any more than the abstract yet but might be interesting ( thinking about the skin reaction - we should maybe swap notes on that - ds1 was dxed with, and treated quite aggressively for, eczema herpeticum immediately prior to regression & his paeds and neurologist have suggested it may well have been a factor).