to wonder WTF would it take for people stop eating "meat"

[ElenorRigby]

Just that really!

Hmm, we've been here before. Until you've been on lots of farms around the country, you're not qualified to say that - you're relying on what you've been told, which isn't always true

who me, original? Don't worry I've been on plenty of farms ;)

Because I have - hundreds. Don't want to out myself, but I have been lucky enough to experience the industry inside out, and not just as a producer. And the bad guys are very much a minority

Well, it's been really nice talking to you. I'm really glad that whatever we disagree on, we all seem to be in agreement on one thing at least! (that extreme industrial production of animal products is not ok!)

Had a couple of glasses of wine now, so not in the best state of mind for intelligent debate! lol :)

Goodnight.

No, lisa80

me too original and I was thinking of imports really - we have the highest welfare standards in the world for sure. Sadly we allow british farmers to be outcompeted by forcing them to comply with the most stringent rules, then happily importing cheaper illegal meat anyway!

Its LiZa, btw

Lol, well I'd we're going for accuracy shall I highlight all the lies dubious assertions made by the anti meat brigade on this thread, some of which they've admitted when challenged on?

*if bloody autocorrect

I used to work on the line in an abbatoir and have killed various animals. (as part of my training).I found that I didn't object to the killing of the animals which was swift and effective but I always felt that the animals suffered unduly if they had to travel long distances.
I eat all meats except veal (although that is now meant to be humane) but I always try to eat locally sourced meat. Moving livestock long distances is very cruel.
I also usually try to eat free range meats and (almost) never eat highly processed meats.

Amen to that. Which is why I get at all the "what's the fuss about eating horse?" stuff - try google live horse transport and see what the fuss is about

It's my name! Not a dubious assertion!

yes I know - the point I was making was about accuracy, not about whether that was your name or not

I have been polite and friendly towards you consistently, whether you agree with my opinions or believe me to be misinformed, there is no need to be rude... Frankly, I'm far more likely to rethink those opinions based on any information you can give me if you show me the same respect I have shown you.

What happened there??

Come on, people like you have no intention of changing your views - and when it comes to politeness I've put up with some proper nonsense on this thread, incl implications that I'm a liar and abuser of animals

As I said before, I have no problem at all with personal choice when it comes to food choices - but I do have a problem with anti meat campaigners misinforming people about meat production

liza80
Interesting post re meat eaters vs herbivore but you have missed out omnivores.

I am an omnivore as I have sharp teeth for tearing meat and I have a single stomach in which I can digest meat

Humans are adaptable and can thrive on a vegetarian, omnivore or carnivores diet.

The Inuit could survive and be healthy on meat and fish alone. I can't see a sheep doing that.

Well, I personally have not implicated you as a liar or an abuser of animals, and I always keep an open mind.
I try to treat people with respect and I believe if you wish to educate others you should show them respect... It is always easier to respect someone who shows you respect, and it is always easier to learn from someone whom you respect.
If you have a problem with anti-meat campaigners, fair enough, but taking that frustration out on the people whom you believe have been misinformed is not going to solve anything!
Treating those people with respect and using your own experience to educate them would be a far more constructive approach.

blatant lies, the original post that I put up does include omnivores in its analysis...

www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/

and I resent the term 'people like you' you don't know me! You don't know who I am like!!! I have accepted you as you have presented yourself! It is very rude, to make such a judgement of who I am!

Now I am making judgements about you based on those comments you have just made!

I think you'll find I have acted to educate - rather than indoctrinate or make wild assertions

In this thread you have implied all producers put profit above welfare, despite never having seen how I or indeed any producer treats animals for yourself, as far as I can see

You've also implied that all fast food outlets use factory farmed meat, despite the fact that Macdonalds takes meat from farms like ours and Macdonalds in the UK takes meat only from assured farms in Britain and Ireland

And that's just two examples. I'm sure you can imagine that if I had made an insulting generalisation about you without any personal experience you would have objected - which is what I have done.

I'm not sure why you're suddenly getting so huffy because I made a joke about your being pedantic about the spelling of a screen name. I'm assuming your name isn't actually Liza80, unless you had imaginative parents, and you won't be surprised to hear I'm not a member of the aristocracy. But of course it's easier to derail a thread you can no longer fill with dodgy assertions without challenge by frothing about nowt

I don't know you, which is why is used a general term "like you" - as in dogmatic evangelists for one particularly way of life