to wonder WTF would it take for people stop eating "meat"

[ElenorRigby]

Just that really!

thanks, I used to be vegetarian and thought veganism was the nuts (but couldnt achieve it). Am now a livestock farmer - the vegan idea just doesn't work out when you start to learn about...well, reality really. Follow a paleo diet and have never felt better

www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/

liza that is so so flawed, the most glaring example being the out and out LIE that human stomachs are the same acidity as a herbivore stomach. They aren't, and that's why ecoli is harmful now. We also have a short gut, not a long one and are missing many many thing that herbivores have to allow them to digets cellulose and lignin.

Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

If nature intended us to eat meat than we would be able to digest raw meat, like any carnivore!

yes you can repeat it, but it doesn't make it more accurate! lol look up what PH a cow's stomach is, and then look up ours - I dare you!

we can digest raw meat? It's what we always did for most of history. Unless you live in a rainforest you're going to be pretty short of fruit and berries etc. for most of the year, so until we developed nature-beating systems that allowed us to grow annual crops, we were largely reliant on meat and tests done on bones show our diet was almost indistinguishable from that of wolves' in Britain.

we have evolved from needing sharp teeth and claws from tens of thousands of years of using tools for that instead.

Fair enough, you are right that cows ph is totally different to ours. The term herbivore is actually misused.....

NOTE: this author uses the term "herbivore" in the most general sense of eating only plant material, and, unfortunately, does NOT differentiate between the more-restrictive, more common, application of the word "herbivore" to refer to grazing animals only; e.g. cattle, sheep, goats, etc., which have quite special, unique adaptations necessary to eat and properly digest only grasses and leaves, and are therefore quite different in digestive physiology than the frugivorous (eats primarily fruit) apes, in which classification the human species really belongs

like i say, unless you live in a rainforest (like all the apes ;) ) you're going to struggle. The very fact humans exist elsewhere points to the fact we are very different to them.

Thank you. I have just learned something!

Points to the fact that we systematically destroy natural habitats?

keep going! I've been on that journey and am far more at ease now.

well you'd have a point if we replaced all those natural habitats with fruit....

The only way I will ever be 'at ease' with eating meat is if I personally take responsibility for the entire process.
I am not happy to support a system of misery and torture to cater to our own greed and ignorance.

that is totally fair enough (me too), but the fault there isnt with meat as a whole, or us eating it, just the method of production. And fruit and veg can be just as bad.

So you only eat meat that you are soley responsible for?

Yes, I would prefer to be responsible for ALL of the food that I eat....

The only proviso I would add to your post Maryz would be that the animal testing for pharmaceutical purposes would need to be strictly necessary with absolutely no other avenue available.

Now now lisa80 there's no torture and misery here - come and see us and then tell me we torture out animals

ummmmm, I'd say 90% of the meat I eat, yes. Occasionally I have a takeaway or a wrap from a garage or something. Or eat at other people's houses and so on.

I believe you, The original! But sadly that's not the case everywhere....

No torture here either, but it does exist sadly. Why its so important to sponsor the goodguys...