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to wonder WTF would it take for people stop eating "meat"

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ElenorRigby · 13/02/2013 18:33

Just that really!

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TheSeventhHorcrux · 14/02/2013 19:46

Nothing will benefit the chances of survival of life on Earth more than humans all dying.

TheSeventhHorcrux · 14/02/2013 19:48
Grin
Hullygully · 14/02/2013 19:48

millions of people live long healthy lives as vegetarians

TheSeventhHorcrux · 14/02/2013 19:48

BigBoPeep - you just made me snort with laughter!

BigBoPeep · 14/02/2013 19:50
Grin
sunflowersfollowthesun · 14/02/2013 19:56

No problem Liza, reading it back, it was a bit garbled.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me what GF means???
Me too.

garlicblocks · 14/02/2013 19:56

Haven't you heard the famous news story of the bull who cried?

Aw, bless you Liza. A story translated from a Hong Kong newspaper, famous only to readers of a vegan blog :)

Cattle's eyes water often. Fact. It was very hot, which irritates their eyes. You can go into any cow field on a hot day and find at least one 'crying'. There's an infection called pinkeye, which makes the eye look like the eyes of the buffalo pictured.

That said - my farmer friend said his cattle did get distressed when going to slaughter, but he meant when they could see & hear what happened to the others. I understand they're not queued up these days?

Liza80 · 14/02/2013 20:02

Garlic, I saw that story on the TV, long before I became involved with anything Vegan!
And actually there are other stories of cows showing emotion immediately prior to slaughter.

Why is it so hard to believe that animals can feel emotion? They have so many similarities to us, why is that such a stretch to our minds???

Perhaps we don't want to accept that they may have emotions and feelings as it would interfere with our conscience......

LadyBeagleEyes · 14/02/2013 20:04

It's not just that simple though, is it? It's not just about eating meat or drinking milk.
We use animals for everything
Including medical science, where life saving drugs have been created through experiments.
And we can hate it all we want but how many of us would refuse the drug that would save our child's life?
It's way too complicated for my brain to comprehend at the moment.
Wine may have been partaken though.

Hullygully · 14/02/2013 20:10

do as you would be done by

you cant go far wrong

TheOriginalLadyFT · 14/02/2013 20:11

Nothing will benefit the chances of survival of life on Earth more than humans all dying

This ^

We are a plague on this planet, a parasite. Contrary to what some might think ( and given we rear animals for meat) I actually prefer animals to humans generally speaking (DS excepted of course. And probably DH, although he did have to go and get emergency Valentine card and flowers cos I moaned on and on about him not getting me one. Anyhoo) and it breaks my heart seeing the way we just squander our natural resources and waste food willy nilly

VerySmallSqueak · 14/02/2013 20:17

Tbh it seems any deliberate acts of cruelty or omissions in the welfare of animals are disregarded by successive governments until either something happens to cause a crisis or there is massive popular uproar against it.
I simply do not believe at all that those in power give a fig about anything other than money and greed.

TheSeventhHorcrux · 14/02/2013 20:20

"I simply do not believe at all that those in power give a fig about anything other than money and greed." - I completely agree!

Hullygully · 14/02/2013 20:22

of course they don't

our mortality is the problem we want everything now and biologist to the future - when we wont be here

Hullygully · 14/02/2013 20:23

biologist.....

bollocks

garlicblocks · 14/02/2013 20:28

Couldn't agree with you more, Original, about humans being a planetary pest. I, however, am not about to subject myself to starvation, hypothermia, dehydration and infections out of guilt. She who wishes not to be part of a food chain must consume nothing. In consuming nothing, she'll be a useless hangnail on the universal recycling system, until she dies (very soon) and becomes useful fertiliser.

People don't think. If you cultivate all your own vegan foodstuffs - and you'll have a pretty shit diet, at this latitude - how will you ward off predators, like birds and insects? When you've exhausted your soil, how will you replace the nutrition needed by your plants? How will you process and prepare your food, killing nothing and leaving the planet untouched?

It just doesn't work. We are animals. Get over it. If people want to eat a vegan diet, good luck to them, but I find it pretty hard to buy into the often-associated moral superiority.

I have said that, now I'm poor, I'm morally horrible. I do think it's better to consume as ethically as possible. As things stand, though, I'm grateful for low-priced meats because I care more about my welfare than that of the chicken I cooked this evening.

garlicblocks · 14/02/2013 20:33

Grin that your auto-correct made bollocks into biologist on this thread, Hully!

Liza80 · 14/02/2013 20:36

I think Mr Einstein was referring to the survival of humans, I agree that the planet as a whole and everything else on it would be better off without us! (It would be interesting to see, don't you think?)
But I believe in being optimistic and taking responsibility, By making positive decisions in our own daily lives, making positive changes we are contributing to greater positive changes as a species...

I don't believe in having the attitude of; ahh what the hell we are all doomed anyway, lets eat some processed meat, burn some plastic and go fly tipping!

lol sorry, not the best examples, but you know what I mean, hopefully.

Change and Evolution are gradual processes that start with individuals, we are those individuals!!!
We create the world that we live in.

garlicblocks · 14/02/2013 20:40

Why is it so hard to believe that animals can feel emotion?

It's not hard at all! Of course animals feel emotions. Even plants do. But it's childish anthropomorphism to assume they feel them, or express them, in the same way as humans.

My cat's purring atm. This is how she expresses emotions. Humans don't purr. Cats and humans are different species. All species have vastly different sensory & neurological systems.

They have so many similarities to us, why is that such a stretch to our minds???

They don't have so many similarities to us, unless you mean mammals are more similar to one another than to spiders. Look, here's an infant-school level summary of the differences between herbivores, carnivores and omnivores. I suspect you need a refresher, Liza.

babyphat · 14/02/2013 20:42

Horse is yummy. Dunno what all the fuss is about.

VerySmallSqueak · 14/02/2013 20:42

If we are not part of the solution we are part of the problem.

If people don't want to give up meat then make more informed choices where possible (and I totally get the financial constraints) or eat less meat.
If survival simply means eating whatever lands on your plate whatever it may be and wherever it is from,then protest,write to your MP or make a mark in another way.

Liza80 · 14/02/2013 20:42

albert einstein wasnt an expert on everything, he might have been good at physics, but a shit nutritionist.

If you would rather hear all the benefits of a vegetarian diet (and the health risks of eating meat) from a nutritionist, have a look! I would post a link, but it's very easy to find them yourself.

garlicblocks · 14/02/2013 20:43

Evolution won't make your descendants vegan just because you were, Liza.

Evolution will make them vegan if being vegan gives them a reproductive advantage. That is all.

If being vegan made the human species more successful, it would already have evolved to be vegan. It hasn't.

garlicblocks · 14/02/2013 20:44

Horse is yummy. So it is Grin

Liza80 · 14/02/2013 20:47

Garlic, what I mean is, birth/living/breathing/reproducing/hunger/thirst/death... Animals are similar to us!
That link doesn't mention humans....

www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/

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