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To say he can't go to stag do if there are going to be strippers?

695 replies

DelphineD · 09/02/2013 23:10

I'm sorry if this ends up being long; I will try to keep it as concise as possible.

Last year DP went to a stag do (first one that has come up whilst we have been together). It was one of his closest friends, and one that I previously liked and respected. They were away for 2 nights. I had wondered if some sort of strip thing might be involved but I thought probably not as the friend was not that kind of man and DP assured me when he got back that there was nothing of the kind. I later found out (through my scarily good investigation and interrogation!!) that this was not the case. On the first night they had been to a strip club and on the second night there were topless waitresses at their apartment for about 3 hours. This info came out bit by bit. Each time DP would insist there was nothing more to tell, then I found out something else. Eventually I think I got a full confession out of him but it was difficult to be sure as he had lied so many times about it. I also got out of him that there had been topless waitresses at a work party he had attended some time before (I had suspected something wrong and he had always denied it before.) He claimed all this was not of his doing, it was not really of interest to him and he just went along with it because they were in a group and he didn't want to make a fuss etc etc. If he had had a lap dance, I would have broken up with him (friend had a lap dance and the man has gone down a lot in my estimation.) As it was I nearly broke up with him anyway. He knew how much I hated strippers and how I would feel about it, and he did it anyway. But I think the most damaging thing was the lying. I trusted him before, and he had destroyed all that.

We got over it and agreed that if there was anything like this again he would tell me the truth and face the music. He understands how much more damaging it was that he lied about it. Since then, I have been to a work party where there was a male stripper. I didn't know in advance but I did know once I got there and I could have come home. It seemed a bit hypocritical, but I went anyway. I just sat at the back, while some of the married women in my group, went up on stage, straddled the stripper, took their wedding rings off, etc etc. That made me think that I wasn't so worried about DP being present in a large room where women were stripping, it was how he behaved and the interaction that would bother me. Hence why I was more upset about the topless women in the apartment than the ones in the strip club. FWIW I believe he would have behaved in a similar way to me in his situation. But his friend having that lap dance upset me, and made me think you can't trust any man, even the ones who seem nice and like they really love their partners.

Now he has his DB's stag party coming up. It's in the city where we live, but some people will be coming from elsewhere so there will be an apartment rented again. He has said he will tell the truth about it this time. He has admitted that the best man is planning something to do with strippers but nothing is booked in yet. I'm already feeling upset about it already and I just don't want him to be around strippers at all. WIBU to say, if that is happening, I don't want you to go at all?

OP posts:
countrykitten · 10/02/2013 15:40

princess what is the 'princess treatment'? Was it your 'reward' for what you did? For behaving like the lap dancers he'd been watching that night? You see yourself as competing with the dancers (the vile steak/burger comment makes that clear - both pieces of meat...waking up yet?) so tell me how feeling that you have to compete with lap dancers makes you a secure woman?

BelaLugosisShed · 10/02/2013 15:41

It's not fucking insecure to not want a partner who pays young women to take all their clothes off and put on a highly sexualised display inches away from them, why would you want a man capable of doing that? What does it say about how they view women? You can be damn sure that they wouldn't want their daughter doing it.

PrincessUnderpaid · 10/02/2013 15:42

I think I should clarify I also like my husband to strip for me too...we are such horrible horrible people.

LaQueen · 10/02/2013 15:42

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pumpkinsweetie · 10/02/2013 15:43

Yabu, you cannot stop him going to his db stag do.
I don't like lapdancing/pole dancing/strippers & wouldn't be keen on my dh going to one of those places as i would be immensly jealous as these women have perfect bodies & are very attractive and the thought of him getting close to them doesn't thrill me. But i trust him & if the situation arose that he'd be invited to one of these establishments with a group of friends & family i wouldn't stop him based on my silly paronoia.

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 15:45

But princess is your husband stripping for you in some sad parody of a male stripper routine because he feels he has to compete with them for your sexual attention? No? Thought not.

PrincessUnderpaid · 10/02/2013 15:46

Princess Treatment = bubble baths, foot rubs and some loving TLC after telling him why he got the show. H was gutted that i felt I needed to prove something to him and it opened up a lot of conversation between us about our own bodily insecurities. Are you gutted he didn't make me watch loads of porn and point out where I was going wrong? Sorry he's actually quite a nice guy despite going to a lap dancing club once.

garlicblocks · 10/02/2013 15:46

Aaaaand ... this ... is ... why ... we still need feminism.

Sigh.

Goodbye, thread :(

PrincessUnderpaid · 10/02/2013 15:47

Country Kitten - no I think he's gorgeous and I like to watch him undress with a bit of style once in a while rather than faffing around with his socks.

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 15:48

Oh - that is one of the saddest posts I have read in a long, long time. I genuinely do not know what to say to you princess. Speechless and so very upset for you. Sad

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 15:49

I meant princess your post about how you earned your bubble baths and foot rubs. Sad

LaQueen · 10/02/2013 15:49

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GirlOutNumbered · 10/02/2013 15:52

countrykitten - her post is sadder than the posts about DV, infidelity, poverty etc.

You then, are sadly whats wrong with women today and people as a whole. You are completely worked up about the wrong things.

PrincessUnderpaid · 10/02/2013 15:52

Don't be sad for me Kitten, honestly overcoming my own insecurities and improving communication in my marriage is obviously upsetting for you.

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 15:58

Yes - I felt it was a very sad post. It did upset me that a woman was pleased that she had earned 'princess treatment' (foot rubs and bubble baths) for a week because she waited up for her husband to come back from a lapdancing club and tried to compete with the lapdancers by stripping and dancing to get his sexual attention focused on her rather than them.

I do not understand how anyone would not be upset by this. I may well be the poster girl for all that is wrong with women today - but I doubt it.

MechanicalTheatre · 10/02/2013 15:58

LaQueen, like I said up-thread, that's you. Everyone is different. I'm sure your emotions are normal and healthy.

We're not talking about you, though. We're talking about the OP. She doesn't like it.

Some women don't like their partner checking out other women. I really don't mind. I don't mind if he flirts with other women either. But if another woman minds, and her partner still does it, then it is a problem.

badinage · 10/02/2013 15:58

I don't think it's about emotional flaws.

I think it's about being sexist, treating men like children who can't be blamed for lying (or taking the line of least resistance as it's been euphemistically called) and deluding yourself that you know what 'most men' (whoever they are) believe. Oh and having a snide pop at another woman in another marriage, to big yourself up.

Not all men are the same as the ones you know, fortunately.

And not all women are the same either, fortunately.

FreudiansSlipper · 10/02/2013 15:59

topless waitress hired out to serve drinks at a private party will not only be handing out drinks and lap dancing clubs are not innocent fun why gloss over what it is really about and that is sex and being able to buy women for gratification quite a power trip for many

if you are happy for your partner to be part of this fine but not wanting him to do so is not always about lacking trust many find this a step too far and others find the whole industry disgusting and shameful

If you do not want hkimto be around this then is your right he has to decide what is more important him not going is not the end of the world but you have to build trust up between you and you agree the boundaries for you both regardless of what others think

quoteunquote · 10/02/2013 15:59

When tesco were stocking pole dancing kits aimed at little girls, I wondered who wanted to train their child to do such a thing, reading this thread, there seems to explain a lot.

Who wants their daughter to entertain the next generation of inadequate men, supply and demand, I assume those on this thread who think it great will be putting their daughters in training, or who's daughters are they suggesting do it?

www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/oct/25/1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412195/Tesco-condemned-selling-pole-dancing-toy.html#axzz2K4uCQJSt
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tescos-toy-pole-dance-kit-646625

When I discovered tesco selling these I went ballistic, took them off the shelves, phoned the police, and the press, I asked the police to investigate the people involved for grooming, I think it's fucking odd to accept people training children to be sex workers.

my tescos took the off the shelves,

more sex toys aimed at children

pole dancing lessons for children

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 15:59

Also the burger/steak remark...wtf? Really horrible.

limitedperiodonly · 10/02/2013 16:05

Question: am I more bored by posters who don't read the thread as I am by posters who drone on about how cool they are with their husbands having a weak lager while watching a PhD student flashing her bleached anus?

Probably the same.

Sallystyle · 10/02/2013 16:06

Personally, I would never be with a man who think going to strip clubs is entertaining and didn't have the guts to not go because he is worried about what his brother will say. After my first marriage I knew what I was and wasn't willing to put up with and found a man who shares my point of view about it all.

Garlicbollocks.. I think you meant to quote me. I don't know if children are involved here or not but if she threatens him with separation then he might just go and if it was me I would happily pack his bags if he cares more about going to a stripper than our relationship but the OP needs to decide if this is important enough for her to end the relationship over and separate her family if children are involved. I would never have married someone who thinks strippers is something fun but they obviously didn't discuss this before so now she has to decide whether the issue is big enough to leave him over if he isn't going to respect her point of view.

I never understand why woman are automatically called insecure if they have problems with their OH's going to strip clubs etc. For a start there is nothing wrong with being insecure over certain things, we all have some insecurities and I will never understand men who will go to strip clubs knowing how much it will upset their wives. If they are controlling over everything that is one thing, but going to a strip club when your wife has genuine issues with it tells me a lot about how much that person doesn't respect his wifes' feelings (same if the gender was reversed as well)

MarmaladeTwatkins · 10/02/2013 16:06

Girl, so what you are suggesting is that if you bang your drum about strippers, you can't be pissed off about DV etc?

What a stupid remark.

Sallystyle · 10/02/2013 16:07

women not woman*

chandellina · 10/02/2013 16:08

Whether you love or hate your partner going to a strip club, or go yourself, I find it distasteful and immoral to pay another human being to give you sexual pleasure.

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