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To not give a damn if the Labour Party...

355 replies

slatternlymother · 31/01/2013 18:42

Give away free flat screen TV's and a £500 Next gift card to everyone claiming benefits.

I don't care if they say 'fuck it, free immigration to everyone, we'll let anyone in'

I don't care if they spend 4 jillion pounds on a statue of Ghandi.

Just as long as the Conservatives don't get in again. They are fucking evil, aren't they?

bastards. Fucking bastards

I don't want to live in a country like this anymore Sad

OP posts:
FairyJen · 01/02/2013 17:41

Good luck jake! Smile

CloudsAndTrees · 01/02/2013 17:44

Well done and Good Luck JakeBullet Smile

AmberSocks · 01/02/2013 17:49

do most people not pay council tax then?

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 18:14

People in low income or on benefits either pay a reduced amount or have it paid for them in council tax benefit

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 18:27

AmberSocks don't you think someone who inherits wealth is12 lucky? I don't understand that. Do you think they deserve it by their fortunate birth?

Don't you think you are lucky to be married to your hardworking husband?

We're also better off than most, and both of us have worked hard. I don't think that our good fortune is purely down to our hard work and not down to our education, opportunities etc.

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 18:28

Don't know where the random number 12 came from!

Orwellian · 01/02/2013 18:39

Very easy to not care about all this stuff when it's not your money paying for it all. I am sure you would think differently if you were personally responsible. That is the problem with Labour. They always run out of other peoples money!

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 18:58

FairyJen sorryI missed your response earlier. How far would you take it though, the idea of everyone keeping what they earn? Would you keep any public services?

aquashiv · 01/02/2013 19:09

That is the problem with Labour. They always run out of other peoples money!
How so? Please explain what on earth you mean by this.

CloudsAndTrees · 01/02/2013 19:12

AmberSocks don't you think someone who inherits wealth is12 lucky? I don't understand that. Do you think they deserve it by their fortunate birth?

I don't think someone who inherits wealth is lucky every time it happens. I have a friend who is financially quite secure, from inherited wealth, she has owned her home outright since she was 18. But then she lost both her parents when she was 15, so not really very lucky at all actually.

AmberSocks · 01/02/2013 19:17

is that to me Orwellian?

if it is then i see the money my husband pays as my contribution too,we are a family and the tax he pays is our contribution,and if i wasnt here he wouldnt be able to work end of.

there is no such thing as luck!!!!!!

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 19:30

CloudsandTrees of course she's not lucky to have lost her parents. We're talking about money aren't we?

AmberSocks no such thing as luck? Really? Don't you think some people are born in more fortunate circumstances than others? Do you think people deserve what happens or doesn't happen to them?

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 19:34

celtic sorry bed time rush! It's a tricky one < helpful > I agree services should be avaliable etc but can equally see the other side of the fence where people get annoyed at working often long hard hours so that other dont have to

CloudsAndTrees · 01/02/2013 19:37

Yes, but having money doesn't always come from a good place, so it's quite narrow minded to assume that everyone who has it is lucky.

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 19:49

Clearly you can be fortunate financially and not in other ways. This thread is about money isn't it?

I think it's narrow minded to think that those who are well off are so entirely because of their own effort. Which seems to be a common view.

Mia4 · 01/02/2013 19:50

Same shit different face. I don't want any of the fuckers to get in because they're all in it for themselves, all hypocritical and all make promises they won't actually keep. And all three of the main parties have, and will continue, to keep screwing us over because it suits them to do so.

YANBU to not want Tory's in, YABU to think Labor or Lib Dems (or even any of the others currently on offer) would be any different.

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 19:52

FairyJen but a lot of people in receipt of benefits, like tax credits and housing and council tax benefit, work long hours themselves. I don't believe there are that many in the ' lifestyle choice' category, and there are already sanctions built into the system for them, so when they get dumped off benefits they become a burden on their (poor) families.

PessaryPam · 01/02/2013 19:56

Mia4, YY I will never vote for any of the main 3 again. I will vote on issues and may very well vote with my feet before the next election.

mantlepiece · 01/02/2013 20:25

Life on benefits is different for different people.

If you have worked all your life and fall on hard times due to redundancy or illness, you will find the money and benefits allocated to you miserly and unfair. This is because you are used to a certain standard of living and find it hard to adjust to a lower income.

If you were born into a family where the previous generations did not work and relied on state help to exist, benefit payments are seen as workable and provide a manageable lifestyle.

I see people in the village where I live where no one in their family has worked for generations... well they do get extra from black market activities. Unfortunately this is a reality in many depressed areas of the country, and accounts for the massive cost to the taxpayer.

There are jobs available, go on any jobcentre search, they are there, but there is a mindset among the permanently jobless that prevents them engaging with employment.

I think most people would like to think they agree that the mark of a civilised society is that the rich support the poor, and that no one would goes hungry or unhoused.

The problem these days is that the "not quite so poor" are financing an ever increasing number of people who are living on benefits as a lifestyle choice.

I think that the big companies that spend vast amounts of money on accountants to help them avoid paying tax should be played at their own game and the government should employ said accountants to close the loopholes of avoidance.

However, I think the companies also have a mindset, albeit the polar opposite of the benefit claimant, that will be just as hard to change. The bottom line in both cases is the same... they don't want to pay!

It is always the people in the middle of this situation that will get squeezed financially.

PeppermintLatte · 01/02/2013 20:44

The more i educate myself regarding politics and current affairs, the more i hate cameron & his party.

I feel so passionate, that i'm considering joining the labour party and running for council. Labour had their shortfalls, and the fact that the milliband's are public school boys worries me slightly, but i believe that the working class will be as safe as possible under labour, it's obvious to everyone that the most vulnerable are fucked under this current government.

They won't stay in power at the next election, not a chance. I understand cuts need to be made, but this is ridiculous. Instead of just talking about it, those that feel as passionately as i do need to do something. Campaign, march, protest... Anything to try & stop this unfairness.

nikcname · 01/02/2013 20:59

YABU. They are all the same.

Skittish · 01/02/2013 21:03

They won't stay in power at the next election, not a chance.
I'd bet my mortgage they will.

PeppermintLatte · 01/02/2013 21:15

Then skittish, i'm pretty certain you'd lose your home.

People are outraged, i've never seen people discussing politics so passionately before, and 99% of people i've encountered during these discussions want this shitty coalition out. I believe people will be out in droves at the next election. I'm looking forward to April when this bedroom tax comes in, also October when the migration onto UC starts, i predict riots.

Alot of people are burying their head in the sand and aren't aware of what's about to hit them. People won't stand for it, they'll want them out. I guess we'll have to wait & see, but i hope to god i'm right.

allgoingtoshitnow · 01/02/2013 21:18

"I'd bet my mortgage they will. "

So will I.

And the gnashing of teeth and wailing of the left is going to be fantastic. They really do see themselves as the next government.

OP - YABU. 70% of the country agree with cuts to benefits. People need to pay their way or fuck the fuck off. The national mindset has changed for the better.

Viviennemary · 01/02/2013 21:18

At this time I simply can't see Labour with Milliband as leader has a hope of getting a majority in the next government. Some people I know that voted LD last time won't vote for them again and will vote Tory next time. Still the election is a long way off.

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