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To not give a damn if the Labour Party...

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slatternlymother · 31/01/2013 18:42

Give away free flat screen TV's and a £500 Next gift card to everyone claiming benefits.

I don't care if they say 'fuck it, free immigration to everyone, we'll let anyone in'

I don't care if they spend 4 jillion pounds on a statue of Ghandi.

Just as long as the Conservatives don't get in again. They are fucking evil, aren't they?

bastards. Fucking bastards

I don't want to live in a country like this anymore Sad

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CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 11:57

yy Tuppence but you realise you are fortunate, so many privileged people seem to think they deserve it and it's because they are special not lucky, or they think they are badly off because they can't have things that only the truly rich can afford. I'd rather pay more than the poorest be forced to pay.

On a different note, it's David Miliband who has adopted children, not Call-Me-Dave.

JoanByers · 01/02/2013 12:04

"Independent researchers the Resolution Foundation found some want to charge affected households an extra 20% of the full council tax bill.

Their bills will rise by more than £600 a year at a time when many families are facing a major squeeze because of the slow economic recovery."

Eh what?

More than £600 a year?

Who exactly has a council tax bill of £3k?

Skittish · 01/02/2013 13:56

Indeed Joan - more Leftie scaremongering Grin.

I'm going to pick up on the luck comment. We aren't reasonably well off through luck, we so because we work over 100 hours a week between us running two businesses. When our friends, twenty years ago, were out and holidaying and buying nice cars we were taking in lodgers, driving clapped out aold bangers and living off baked beans.

I would be incredibly happy if my taxes did go only to the weak and vulnerable but they don't. They go to people who choose to work part time, or have only one partner work or do no work at all. A luxury the rest of us paying for them can't afford.

JakeBullet · 01/02/2013 14:11

....and I so hope things never crash for you skittish because there are many people out there for whom thst is the reality.

I have worked for the past 30 years but now live on benefits while I care for my DS who is autistic. I didn't ever predict life would work out like this. I didn't predict my husband would walk away. Life sometimes smacks you roght between thr eyes. Until DS is an adult I doubbt I will ever be able to work full time. I don't know yet if I will be penalised for this....but I will do what I have to do in order to care for my son. Many others are in the same boat.....and the determined workshy folk will continue to be so. That's the reality of life...and those who ARE making a contribution. ...however they can are being demonised. That is wrong.....and I hate the politicians who have done this.

Viviennemary · 01/02/2013 15:46

It does annoy me when I read that people can't be expected to pay 20% towards their council tax. Why shouldn't they. I'd like to see low paid workers paying no tax up till at least £12,000 if not £15,000. End ridiculous housing subsidies for people to live in inner London. Why should low earning tax payers in the rest of the country subsidise this. People forget for every pound paid in benefit somebody has to pay for that in tax. And some of these people aren't very well off themselves.

HappyMummyOfOne · 01/02/2013 16:00

I voted Tory and would again. Labour bought votes by throwing money at people and had no thought as to put aside any for when the bad times hit.

I dont get the uproar about council tax, everyone uses the services so everyone should pay. Why should those who self support be penalised when thousands choose not to work or work little and then moan about having to pay bills.

The changes mean we are gradually taking benefits back to being a safety net rather than a lifestyle choice. That can only benefit the economy and future generations.

CloudsAndTrees · 01/02/2013 16:03

I dont get the uproar about council tax, everyone uses the services so everyone should pay.

^^ This.

Don't people realise what council tax actually pays for? It pays for services that are essential and affect everyone. Not just the few.

JakeBullet · 01/02/2013 16:09

You voted Tory HappyMummy? Surely not.....what a shocker!

Thing is that there are millions doing what they can and contributing.....they will suffer NOT those who can't be bothered.

Personally I have no issue with contributing to council tax...I'll just set up a direct debit as I did when working. Don't assume though that people have just made "lifestyle choices" ....many have lost jobs and can't find others.

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 16:12

jake for some people sadly it is a lifestyle choice. I know several people like this myself and it drives me round the bend!

JakeBullet · 01/02/2013 16:13

...I still say there will be a massive shortfall in council tax once the cuts really bite. This concerns me as it will lead inevitably to a shortfall in services. The amounts of council tax contribution are small...I have only one child and I will manage to pay my contribution.
For those who might have fallen on hard times with 2/3/4 children though it might be a straight choice between that and food.....I know where they will put the money. The sums are so small that recovery will not be economical and we will all suffer.

JakeBullet · 01/02/2013 16:18

Oh I absolutely agree there are some for whom it IS a lifestyle choice but when the NMW is so low it's hardly surprising. They need to focus in making work pay more than benefits.....any amount of work making people better off financially....then people will do it.

I have always earned good money but due to my son's disability I am currently out of work and a Carer. I want to go back to work but not take the high pressured job I had before. A Jobcentreplus advisor told me that to be financially better off on NMW I Woukd need to work 30 hours a week which I cannot do because of my son's needs. To be worse off in work on NMW is a disgrace and THAT is what needs tackling.

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 16:19

Can you see it from the other pov tho? If my tax goes up to subsidise those on benefits it's dc who lose out. I don't find that fair personally.

Myself ad dp chose to have our family and work to provide for them. I'm not choosing for others dp's sister to sit on her arse all day

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 16:20

I agree with that jake but equally of in your circumstance you could pay towards ct surely others can do the same by tightening their belts a bit?

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 16:47

Skittish you're lucky your business pays. You're lucky to have a strong relationship. You're lucky not to have caring responsibilities or illness/disability that prevent you working. You're lucky that you had the education and capital to get your business started. There are far more people working their arses off in NMW jobs than there are idle scroungers, but this government is doing a great spin job about idle benefit claimants. Do you think you are more deserving than the working poor?

Re 'belt tightening'- I'd rather those who could afford it tightened theirs a touch than anyone have to cut from their food or bills.

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 16:52

But how is that fair celtic? I'm not saying I disagree but I feel that if someone is working hard for their money and is fundIng their own dc ad lifestyle why should they also be made to pay for others?

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 16:59

Because we try to make society fair (ish) and we believe there is a level at which state support is required, and we think there are things eg healthcare that should be available to all. I have also read ( on here somewhere, but can't recall link) that the vast majority of people are actually gaining from the tax system, through NHS, infrastructure, education, pensions etc. You probably get out more than you put in.

Would you prefer each to pay their own way?

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 17:05

If people paid their own way the poor would die off surely if they can't even afford to pay a percentage of thier council tax

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 17:06

And how is it fair that some have more than others in the first place? Some is down to hard work and planning. Lots is down to luck.

CelticPromise · 01/02/2013 17:07

I think some people wouldn't mind that Fairy, until they couldn't get anyone to do menial work.

FairyJen · 01/02/2013 17:08

I think tho if someone has earnt their money they are entitled to it. Sorry but that's how it is. If you had a car I wanted I couldn't just take it on the basis that it's not fair you have one and I don't.

There is a reason communism doesn't work

Skittish · 01/02/2013 17:17

I have huge respect for the working poor and would remove those under 12 k from income tax completely .

It is those choosing not to work or work as little as they can I object to.

aquashiv · 01/02/2013 17:27

For the record the national debt has risen from £811.3bn, or 55.3 per cent of GDP, to £1,111.4bn, or 70.7 per cent of GDP, since the coalition entered office.
Growth all time low and unemployment getting up to their last Tory record.

Oh yes the Tories are doing a sterling job?Angry.

AmberSocks · 01/02/2013 17:29

havnt read the whole thread,but i honestly dont feel like anything has changed!

I think they are all the same,this country is going down the pan who ever gets in,it doesnt matter who.

JakeBullet · 01/02/2013 17:31

I agree skittish and the dreadful issue of income tax increases for sone of the lowest paid was introduced by a Labour government. ....not their finest hour at all.

Anyway.....just heard I have been shortlisted for an interview. ...Grin Grin Grin Grin ..am a bit pleased....I wont be better off as it's only a few hours a week but I can swallow a small loss in exchange for the other benefits of work..... hopefully as things settle down again with DS I can do increasing hours. (I mean to get this job lol). Will be sitting in the waiting room with a beady eye on everyone else and a "get off...it's mine" attitude Grin .

AmberSocks · 01/02/2013 17:32

Some is down to hard work and planning. Lots is down to luck.

Thats a big generalisation,we have more than most but my husband has worked extremely hard for it,for the last 10 years.Luck has nothing to do with it,even if you have inherited money,somewhere down the line someone somewhere has worked hard.

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