To not give a damn if the Labour Party...

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Give away free flat screen TV's and a £500 Next gift card to everyone claiming benefits.

I don't care if they say 'fuck it, free immigration to everyone, we'll let anyone in'

I don't care if they spend 4 jillion pounds on a statue of Ghandi.

Just as long as the Conservatives don't get in again. They are fucking evil, aren't they?

bastards. Fucking bastards

I don't want to live in a country like this anymore

I wish there was a third way between the two. A party who didn't want to absolutely screw the poorest, decimate benefits and privatize everything. But who also didn't want to piss huge amounts of money up the wall on five a day consultants, political correctness and over management of public services and paying huge, huge amounts of benefits.

I worked in public services during the Labour period and was shocked at the waste, duplication of services and overpayment of management/consultants etc. But equally I'm shocked by what the Tories have done to the same services. When they came in I hoped they might sort out the flagrant abuses and profligacy from the Labour times and provide efficient streamlined services. Instead they have just cut core essential services almost to the bone.

It's a shame there is no middle way.

32% voted Tory in 2010 - 35% voted Labour but they didn't win enough seats - Cameron lied about Child Benefit, saying he wouldn't means test it, he lied about the NHS, he lied about tax credits - he lied through his teeth and still didn't get as many votes as Brown - doubt very much he'll be voted in again!

LittleTyga here's hoping! Thing is though, the damage will be done by 2015, if labour do get back in, how long does it take to reverse some of the damage?

I worked in public services during the Labour period and was shocked at the waste, duplication of services and overpayment of management/consultants etc
Still happening now! The Tories have banned recruitment so they employ expensive consultants and temps instead which costs more. There's little sense to many Tory policies.

Sorry, haven't read the whole thread, but surely the first port of call should be to reduce the salaries of the over paid council staff. I understand that some CEO earn in excess of 250k a year. Surely this is not what council tax was intended to pay for. These people should be made to take a pay cut and be bloody grateful they still have a job. How can it be right that low earning families are paying the wages of senior council workers, especially when so many cuts are being made elsewhere.

OP - YABU. 70% of the country agree with cuts to benefits. People need to pay their way or fuck the fuck off. The national mindset has changed for the better.

I thought the Tory's were trailing behind in the polls?
here's my proof - can I see yours?

Mid-term austerity government, hobbled by a weak libdem element, and thats all Labour can achieve?

And from the Guardian! That last defence against tax avoidance and hypocrisy. The Daily Mail for soapboxing middle England champagne socialists.

Save it for the the term after the next LittleTyga, it'll be more useful to you.

I'll be here allgoing - ready to say 'I told you so' hehehe :)

What were those questions they asked again to work out how many supported the welfare reforms. . .

1. Do you believe unemployment benefits should pay more than wages.

Can't remember the exact wording of the next one but it was something along the lines of

Do you think benefits should be a lifestyle choice that you pay for, or some other such nonsense

Hardly a precise way of gaining support for what they are doing.

Cannot stress enough how reasonable you are being op!

Ps I love you!

Viviennemary who are these LibDem voters who will vote Tory instead next time? All the LibDem voters I know are up in arms about the betrayal of their ideals/promises to win power alongside the tories when they voted LibDem to avoid voting tory. As far as I can see the last party a disgruntled LibDem voter would switch to is the Tory party! WHere would the advantage be? A vote for the LibDems is a vote for Tories anyway as it stands.

Roll on 2015!!

I have absolutely no idea who I will vote for in 2015. Not one of them fill me with any confidence sadly.

People are outraged, i've never seen people discussing politics so passionately before, and 99% of people i've encountered during these discussions want this shitty coalition out.

Really? 99%?

If true, you're not encountering a broad cross-section of the electorate.

Roll on 2014, fingers crossed for independence!

Sometimes I think DC is doing all of this because he secretly wants rid of Scotland, he's certainly doing the Yes campaign an awful lot of favours.

ShellyBoobs yes, the vast majority if people i've spoken to over the last year regarding the current state of affairs in this country agree that they want this coalition out. This is people i've met through work, college, friends, family and friends of friends etc.. There's only been one who wanted the tories to stay in power. These people come from a wide variety of backgrounds, some academics, some working class, some living on benefits, some single parents, some married couples on a decent combined wage etc.. etc...

Jake i'd recommend labour, best of a bad bunch...

what do people think of the smaller parties?

Ivoted for the peace party last time as even though i knoew they had no chance,they are the only ones i really believed in.Its a shame that its really just a choice between 3 equally bad parties.

I was listening to a UKIP politician on the radio today, it was hilarious, it might as well have been david "the dictator" cameron speaking.

Labour is the lesser of the evils. I believe the working class will survive under labour, we'll go under if the other 2 stay in power.

+1 for Scots independence in 2014!

Then when the tartan socialist utopia is built with oil money, and all the UK claimants move as one to live off the scots welfare system, we can start making the remaining UK great again.

Under a proper Tory government.

I spent a good part of the late 90s/early 2000s moaning about how Labour were 'just like the Tories' I left the party over one of their vainglorious neo-colonial ventures into someone else's country (I forget which one) but I was wrong. dead wrong.

The Tories are a shower of evil bastards and despite PR man Cameron's efforts, they are hell bent on making life as unbearable as possible for the working classes and the poor, whilst looking after their own.

I've rejoined the Labour Party, partially as I am more and more impressed by Ed Milliband the more I see of him and also as they represent the only way of getting the morally bankrupt and clueless coalition government out.

Arf at my name twin :)

Just spotted that...twin name lol.