To not give a damn if the Labour Party...

[slatternlymother]

Give away free flat screen TV's and a £500 Next gift card to everyone claiming benefits.

I don't care if they say 'fuck it, free immigration to everyone, we'll let anyone in'

I don't care if they spend 4 jillion pounds on a statue of Ghandi.

Just as long as the Conservatives don't get in again. They are fucking evil, aren't they?

bastards. Fucking bastards

I don't want to live in a country like this anymore

[CelticPromise]

allgoing do you think child benefit should have remained universal? Doesn't seem to sit well with your views.

Would you care to answer my question above?

[MechanicalTheatre]

"they lived within their means and worked a full week"

Snort - yeah, no-one ever accused anyone of being dole scum before Labour got in. Oh except for like the whole of the 70s and 80s, obv.

Some of you people just make up "facts" to fit in with the drivel you read in the Daily Mail. It is impossible to have a reasoned debate with you.

[lazybastard]

How fucking dare you call me an entitled whiner.

I will explain again for those who cannot comprehend anything that does not directly fit with their prejudices. I worked full time for years then I was made redundant, didn't claim a penny. Six months later I was still unemployed so jumped at the chance of a part time job. I thought it was preferable to nothing (apparently not).

I continued job hunting, either for a full time one or second part time one. A year on no luck so I have added studying to working and job hunting to try and increase my chances. Apparently this makes me selfish and irresponsible.

In this time of me job hunting DH was made redundant too which pushed us over the edge financially and led us to claiming CTC to avoid homelessness.

Allgo you have more money than me, you may be more educated than me, more inteligent than me perhaps but it doesn't give you the right to call me lazy and accuse me of having no sense of responsibility because it is not true. I am NOT lazy.

[JakeBullet]

I am guessing then that all the anti tax credit folk nobly handed theirs back...


No?


Tax credits were there to top up crap wages....not for votes....I certainly did not vote Labour in the last election and I am a right slapper...my vote CAN be bought....I have voted for all three of the major parties at one time or another.


Whatever happens there has to be a way in which low paid workers can live. I didn't consider tax credits when reducing my hours......they were the last thing on my mind. I looked at my salary and thought "can I live on this amount". As it happens it was hard even with my £40 tax credit top up per month. Only now I am out of work do I get a significant sum of tax credit ...and to get that significant sum I needed a disabled child. It's NOTHING to what I was earning though.


I am sure there ARE some who did look at how much they could claim but it's not representative of most people.

I agree it's a safety net.....and it's now supporting me and my son but I am dreading cuts and the increase in living costs because going back to work is not an option for me at the moment although it may well be in the future.

Like it or not people judge, they judge all the time and they judge me for being a single mother and for being out of work.

[allgoingtoshitnow]

"Out of interest, just how much DO you have to earn before you can be considered a worthwhile member of society? "

It has nothing to do with finance and everything to do with self sufficiency and self respect.

The welfare system was designed as a safety net to catch people and help them get back on their feet. It was never intended to be an endless subsidy to part timers. This is what tax credits are - a vote winner for muppet socialists.

I wonder what entitled whiners did before Brown brought tax credits in? Oh I know - they lived within their means and worked a full week. Now they live within their means plus tax credits and work less hours. I guess it lets them come onto MN and scream blue murder at the baby eating Tories.

Child benefit was a universal benefit and everyone got it. It meant that the productive members of society who were paying for the welfare system felt they were getting something back. But no more thanks to welfare overspend on the more deserving.

[JakeBullet]

Yep....that appears about the size of it apparently

Contribution to society is about finance and nowt else from what I can see on here.

The fact that we can contribute in many non financial ways is nothing to some people. I am a volunteer and consider I provide a valuable contribution in addition to my caring responsibilities. There are some here though who might well say I should be working in that time.

[lazybastard]

Well then we get rid of everyone earning less than 50k and chuck them in the workhouse 1880s style. Separate 70 beded wards for the different sexes. No fraternisation between sexes. Allow one bath a month sharing the bath and toilet with all 70, and water with 5. One slice of bread and water twice daily will make everything much more pleasant for the better people.

After all nurses, teachers, paramedics, junior and middle grade doctors, police officers etc do absolutely nothing for society.

[JakeBullet]

Well then lazybastard it would seem you have to earn enough NOT to need any tax credits or other benefits. So er.....lets see, if we include child benefit then you need to earn enough to be in
the HR tax bracket. Otherwise you is a scrounger innit?

[lazybastard]

Out of interest, just how much DO you have to earn before you can be considered a worthwhile member of society?

[NicholasTeakozy]

allgoingtoshitnow

Oh dear. Quoting the IFS to prove your point. I can do that too. The IFS have said that Gidiot has got to raise taxes to cover the £64Bn extra that his policies will cost. In one year.

Gidiot inherited an economy that was growing and has deliberately tanked it for Tory ideology. Any company director who did the same would be given a massive bonus arrested.

[lazybastard]

Allgo with every post you offer more proof that you know nothing about the lives of others. I can assure you I haven't spent a penny on holidays abroad, we don't go on any holiday at all. We don't even have passports. So please don't complain I spend too much on something I don't spend a single penny on.

More importantly stop implying that the low paid don't work hard. The majority work very hard.

[JakeBullet]

Snorting at "tax credit funded holidays abroad"! I wish......mine goes "in the pot" to feed, clothe and care for DS. It keeps the roof over our head and allows us to be warm. It certainly doesn't stretch to holidays ...not in the UK or abroad.
No holidau since in laws paid for us to go abroad as a treat three years ago.
So yes these cuts scare me....energy prices are increasing, petrol costs increasing, food costs are increasing so money doesn't stretch to many luxuries.
My luxuries are the internet £20 pm including phone. Thats about it.....I dont smoke and rarely drink alcohol unless I am given wine.

[allgoingtoshitnow]

Oddly enough thats not what the IFS say.

"The IFS points out tax and benefit changes since the beginning of the Parliament will 'hit the richest households hardest', and changes this April will benefit working households."

Hope your DH is working lots of overtime.

[Beautifulbabyboy]

School girl error, I got dragged into petty warfare. All I was trying to say is that the rich are not paying their fair way, the burden is falling on the working poor, and it saddens me.

[allgoingtoshitnow]

Its a good job you are a team player Beautifulbabyboy, because if you decided to go it alone your DH would be truly fucked.

[Beautifulbabyboy]

Ha ha ha. It can't be mine can it skittish....noooo because that would really upset you wouldn't it? Ha ha - am chuckling now.

Oh and the very fact you see it (wrongly) as my dh's money just goes to show how far apart we are morally. I am a team player. Money is only one thing a person brings to the table. In my family we are a team.

[allgoingtoshitnow]

" say the rich must pay more, and my family is in the very top of the top 1%"

So your DH earns it then. Does he know you are being so generous with your money?

[MechanicalTheatre]

Yes, allgoingtoshitnow you are such a truth-speaker. They should get you on the telly so you can tell everyone the truth about everything.

[Bowlersarm]

In life? Or on this thread?

[Beautifulbabyboy]

Condescending is the nicest thing I can be. :-)

[allgoingtoshitnow]

If the truth is disturbing to you Beautifulbabyboy, suggest you head off to netmums.

The fact is, the UK 'poor' arent the precious disadvantaged snowflakes they have been brought up to believe they are. The futures isnt bright, and it certainly involves a lot more hours picking in the fields shoulder to shoulder with immigrants, and a lot fewer tax credit funded holidays abroad.

[Bowlersarm]

Hmmm beautiful how lovely you are. "You, and your fellow "little" Tories" . Nice. Condescending? Not much

[Beautifulbabyboy]

SKITTISH - "The Rich Who Must Pay More are always those earning more than the person demanding they do so."

Now Skittish try that out on me!!! I say the rich must pay more, and my family is in the very top of the top 1%.

You, and your fellow little "Tories" have no idea how often we are offered tax breaks for this, tax breaks for that, offshore plans here and there. You have no idea how the system is working and YET, you would fight for me get even richer!!!

I would like to add we always turn down these options. The Rich can easily pay more. AND I say that as one of them.

[MechanicalTheatre]

I actually think some Tories wouldn't mind the workhouse being brought back. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, innit. They don't seem to understand how hard that is when you are born into bad circumstances. People don't even have the notion that they could achieve - why would they when they've been told they're thick lazy scroungers their whole lives?

[Beautifulbabyboy]

All going to shit now - god you really are horrid aren't you. Not very clever and horrible as well, what a winning combination.

Lazy - you have it right with the workhouse aim. That is what the regressive conservatives want. What always makes me laugh is that people like all going to shit have no idea that they are only a few unfortunate circumstances away from hell.