To not give a damn if the Labour Party...

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Give away free flat screen TV's and a £500 Next gift card to everyone claiming benefits.

I don't care if they say 'fuck it, free immigration to everyone, we'll let anyone in'

I don't care if they spend 4 jillion pounds on a statue of Ghandi.

Just as long as the Conservatives don't get in again. They are fucking evil, aren't they?

bastards. Fucking bastards

I don't want to live in a country like this anymore

It was a worldwide credit crash, we were always going to be caught up in it.
My point was that with the economy labour inherited we should have been in a far more secure position to weather the storm, and would have been if Brown/Blair hadn't wasted money, hand over fist, buying votes while they pretended they were financing hospitals/ schools, which in fact were PPI financed and selling off our gold reserves at rock bottom prices.
Personally, I feel they should be held criminally accountable for what they have done to this country and that Paul, the psychic octopus could have made a better job of it, never mind George Osbourne!

*PFI

PFI was brought in by the John Major government, not New Labour. Also, Gordon Brown was advised to sell excess gold reserves by the then head of the Bank Of England.

What difference would it have made if we had the gold now? (we still have some by the way?)

And yes PFI was a Tory construct which they keep on using. They're not stopping them!

PFI under the Tories was a couple of billion.

PFI under Labour was near bankruptcy.

'Theres no money left' sums up Labours 13 years. And what to we have to show for it? Tax credits to those who dont need it, a country full of part timers thinking they fall into the 'hardworking families' bracket, and worst of all websites like MN full of entitled labour benefits claimants trying to write themselves out of the history of this mess. It wasn't 13 years of socialist idiocy got us here, its the 2 years of the Tories

You are the problem folks.

'they are not only fucking us, they are enjoying fucking us'

My husband is a Tory party member. Within two months of the general election he had lost his job as a direct result of the government's new policies. Which particular part of his long redundancy have we enjoyed, could you tell us?

He doesn't like his situation but he accepts the reality that the organization he was working in was unaffordable and not really fit for purpose. He would probably vote the same way again.

Nobody enjoys this. Get real.

PFI under the Tories was a couple of billion
Yes because they initiated it. The idiots labour carried it on and made it nigh on impossible to properly source cheaper alternatives by fiddling the guidance.
My point was that the Tories love PFI and would keep doing it and are carrying on with it so let's not pretend otherwise.

*'Theres no money left' sums up Labours 13 years. And what to we have to show for it? Tax credits to those who dont need it, a country full of part timers thinking they fall into the 'hardworking families' bracket, and worst of all websites like MN full of entitled labour benefits claimants trying to write themselves out of the history of this mess. It wasn't 13 years of socialist idiocy got us here, its the 2 years of the Tories

You are the problem folks.*

Applauds very loudly indeed. I so agree. Know two families in my extended network who work 16 hours between them as a couple to get as much form TC as they can and still think they are entitled to the lifestyle we enjoy by working over 100.

They can fuck to the far side of fuck with that sense of entitlement, frankly. Thank god for the Tories.

Theres no money left because of neo-liberal economic policy. Labour is no different to Conservatives.

Applauds very loudly indeed. I so agree. Know two families in my extended network who work 16 hours between them as a couple to get as much form TC as they can and still think they are entitled to the lifestyle we enjoy by working over 100

And these people represent all benefit claimants do they?

The Tories can fuck off. They've got a PM who thinks its acceptable to charge the taxpayer for pruning his fucking wisteria?! But it's ok because he paid it back

And an idiot who doesn't know the difference between debt and deficit or lies to the public about the debt (its increasing under the conservatives because of falling tax receipts and greater unemployment)

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/feb/01/david-cameron-rebuked-over-debt-claims

""Public sector net debt is a measure of how much the UK public sector owes at a given time. Public sector net borrowing is the difference between total accrued receipts and total accrued (current and capital) expenditure over a specified period; this measure is frequently used by commentators to summarise the extent of any public sector 'deficit'."

He added that he was sending a copy of the letter ? with accompanying graphs setting out the relevant data ? to Cameron's chief of staff, Ed Llewellyn.

The shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, Rachel Reeves, said: "It is hugely embarrassing for David Cameron that he has had to have the difference between borrowing and debt explained to him by the chair of the UK Statistics Authority."

Yhe problem is skittish that you obviously feel this is representative of all benefits claimants and it isn't.

In the hands of the tories, PFI was a tool to be used with restraint, labour with PFI was like letting kids loose in ToysRUs with your credit card.

They've got a PM who thinks its acceptable to charge the taxpayer for pruning his fucking wisteria?

As opposed to the former Labour Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, who merely paid for her husbands porn.

Of course, taking us into an illegal and immoral many years long war is nothing compared with charging for wisteria trimming.

I'd forgotten the porn!
All as bad as each other. Although labour are the least worse IMO

Really?

Lying to involve us in a long, bloody and illegal war is less palatable than making cutbacks because the country is teetering on bankruptcy?

Wow.

• more palatable. obviously!

The country isn't teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. You don't have an AAA or even an AA rating if you're on the edge.

But Labour said there was no money left when they were soundly booted out handed over power!

Tell me they weren't telling fibbies!

You are aware that that letter is a tradition...? As in the outgoing chancellor always writes a similar letter to the incoming?

Ridiculous.

Are you saying no cuts need to be made then? Or that labour wouldn't have mad any because there is no need?

When handing the reins from Tory to Labour that letter is indeed an ironic gesture. When vice versa, it's a depressing truth.

How do you make that leap? Are you not capable of reasonable rational thought?
Of course public spending needs cutting. But wailing about there being no money, that we're on the edge of bankruptcy, that we might be another Greece, that the world is doomed is just ridiculous.

Most Lefties refuse to accept that ANY cuts need to be made, sadly.

What makes you think I'm a leftie