To refuse to take 3 points on my licence for speeding when I wasn't the driver

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....because that's called perverting the course of justice and if found out it attracts a custodial sentence

I have a clean licence. They have a lot of points and need to drive for their job

Oh dear, he´s just one of those victims of circumstance, isn´t he that takes no fucking responsibility & thinks that it´s all someone elses fault.

TBH I´d LTB as I´d have no respect for him anymore.

I thought the Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce trial was about to start this week for exactly this offence - I don't know what's happened to it, but it's a shame, as it might have given your DH pause for thought.

In your position, I wouldn't do it, and in your DH's position, I wouldn't even ask. I agree it's tough if he risks losing his job but he will just have to try and drive within the speed limits.

Bear in mind that they can check against information from cameras who was driving the car if they choose to investigate.

My ex wanted me to take the blame for him driving like a twat in my car. I refused. He wanted evidence it was him driving (apparently it could have been the faeries or Bin Laden as far as he was concerned) and the police sent a nice photograph of his mug that had been taken from the front. Just as well, then.

He doesn't lose his job - he is just fearful that further speeding offences may occur within the next 3-4 years putting him at 12
Then he needs to be more speed aware and not do it , especially if his job may be at stake, not ask you to take the rap.

Dear hmc's H,

It's illegal to ask hmc or anyone else to do this. If you're worried about losing your licence, don't speed. If you're worried about being late, leave earlier. Welcome to the world where if you don't comply with the law there are consequences.

Bluey

Bloody hell, I don't know which I'm more outraged by: the OP's DH who wants her to take his points so he doesn't have to stop speeding or the poster who is happy for her husband to speed because he's 'a bit dozy in the mornings' and 'speed doesn't kill'. Twats.

I wouldn't do it. I would be sympathetic a bit but I wouldn't want to risk being done for lying about it.

I think it is easy to speed. I was caught doing 36 in a 30 area and I got to do the speed awareness course. I try so hard not to speed now but every so often I do.

He doesn't think he will be offered a bad driver school because he has done one in the past year

Oh the Irony!

Why is he so certain he is going to incur further points this year. Why can't he do what the vast majority do? If his job involves driving why the hell would you even risk it??

YANBU.

Have done a quick poll of 16 drivers I know well enough to ask about points and trust enough to get an honest reply. We're all forty/fifty-something now, most of us have been driving 20+ years. Only two of us have had speeding points, and both of them only once. So bollocks whoever said 'most people have picked up three points at some point in their driving careers' somewhere up-thread.

Well, OP you summed up the legal basics in your first post. if you take the points for him your are committing the offence and he is also committing the offence by asking you to do it. it is doing an act tending to pervert the course of public justice, liklihood of a custodial term for both of you is pretty high.

Your DH is being an arse, other's may do it but it doesn't make it right. A driving licence is a privilege not a right.

If your DH would be at the 12 point limit he can admit the offence, attend at Court are make a submission to the Magistrates that he would be caused undue hardship if disqualified - that could result in no disqualification or a lesser period of disqualification, BUT he could only use the loss of livlihood argument once in a period of 3 years .... so real last chance stuff. He just needs to suck it up and face the music. His mistake, his consquences. don't get sucked into this mess.

Before I left the UK I worked in criminal law and have seen people prosecuted and convicted in just these type of circumstances.

To be fair, speed by itself doesn't kill. Jet airliners fly a lot faster than cars drive but have a much better safety record.

Inappropriate speed combined with lack of awareness of what's around you and poor observation - that kills.

Given that the OP's myopic pillock of an H has been caught speeding four times already (thanks for the correction ShellyBoobs), his observation skills are clearly woefully lacking and he's obviously completely unaware of what's going on around him.

OP's H, you're not just a selfish, self-entitled twunt for trying to guilt-trip your wife into taking on the points you earned, you're also crap at driving. You want to try learning some situational awareness skills.

I think we lost HRC. Frankly, I wonder how long we had her.

My dad has been driving, including buses (especially the old double deckers with the crash gear boxes), for about 50 years. He has never had any points on his licence.

DP has been driving for more than 30 years - no points ever.

Me - about 20 years - no points ever. And I would never take points for someone else. Their points, their problem.

I'm amazed at how many people are giving the OP a hard time about this actually.

Her dh drives 40k miles a year - I would take about five years to rack up that sort of mileage, and I have definitely (inadvertently) gone over the speed limit, at the very least, once a year. All it takes is a fussy child in the back, keeping with the flow of traffic etc, to distract you and before you know it you are few miles an hour above the limit. It's just luck I've never been caught, even though I try my hardest to be a good driver.

Those who are being so sanctimonious must be watching their speedo like a hawk (and not watching the road), and I'm struggling to believe that they have never exceeded a speed limit.

To the poster who's dh says driving excessive distances makes someone a better driver, I would argue that there is also the possibility that they would be more complacent (familiarity breeds contempt).

I think most people have probably exceeded the speed limit, deliberately or accidentally, at one time or another. I know I have occasionally, though I have never had a speeding fine or points. The thing is, it is not as if you get caught every time you do it, or even one time in ten. Maybe one time in a hundred, or even less than that?

Which means that for every time the OP's husband has been caught speeding, I would guess, he will have exceeded the speed limit many, many times, unless he is spectacularly unlucky, or stupid enough only to speed in areas with working speed cameras. It sounds like he just doesn't think that speed limits apply to him.

You can go online and view your speeding offence. I accidentally went at 35 in a 30 whilst lost in a strange town on a dual carriageway (very confusing roads in Stevanage!). When I went online they a crystal clear picture of me ranting and dh looking contrite as we were exceptionally late for a christening due to his bad directions.
I doubt they'd have believed me if I said dh was driving!

OP have only read up to your post on the first page where you say he already has 9 points - and I am so for you! He is being a complete arsehole about this. And his argument that he does 40,000 a year so will be caught again makes no sense - if he doesn't speed, he won't get caught! How much dangerous driving and points on his licence will it take for him to grow the fuck up and stop driving dangerously?

Refuse to lie for him, sit back and make him realise that if he doesn't stop speeding, he will lose his licence next time. What an absolute wanker he sounds - sorry but he does

The thing is, if you're driving that number of miles in a day/week/month/year, because it's imperative for your job then you have to drive with awareness such that you don't exceed the speed limit.

I'm not getting why that seems so difficult to grasp.

More time on the road = more opportunities to be caught

But also:

More time on the road = more time to develop your driving skills

... and it seems that the OP's (D)P doesn't believe that the second one of these applies to him

Tricksy - are you saying you think it isn't possible to keep an eye on your speedometer to avoid speeding AND watch the road at the same time?

Because if you are, you either need to start a campaign alerting the world to the danger of speedometers, or brush up on your own driving skills.

This thread is really winding me up. Anybody who isn't capable of safely controlling a car whilst occasionally glancing at the speedometer shouldn't be driving at all

There is no excuse for speeding FFS.

Your DH speeds routinely and as pointed out above you don't get caught everytime you speed I suspect your odds of getting caught for any single incident of speeding are very low indeed.

Your DH has been caught 4 times in 3 years so that is one speeding ticket for every 30,000 miles driven.

My DH drives about 12K per year by car (he was a bus driver for a number of years but I am yet to hear of a double decker in central London being done for speeding so I am ignoring that milage). Since I have known him he has had one speeding ticket. So one ticket in 16 years. That is one ticket in 192,000 miles driven by car. I drive less and have never had a ticket.

Lets compare
OP's DH - one ticket per 30,000 miles driven
My DH - one ticket per 192,000 miles driven

Going at 36 in a 30 zone is surely way more dangerous than going 79 on the dual carriageway? Far more likely to be children running around and it's well publicised the difference those extra mph make when someone is hit.

People don't run around on motorways generally, so up to 80 is usually safe. On motorways its idiotic driving that kills, not 80mph. Imo speaking as someone who has been known to go 80mph on motorways when conditions are safe

On that basis I would ordinarily have much sympathy with anyone caught at 79mph.

However I have no sympathy for someone caught at 79mph who already has 6 points on their licence and therefore if they had any sense would be being ultra cautious. And even less sympathy for someone who has a cruise control facility on his speedo meaning there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever. And even less sympathy for someone who asks his wife to break the law and take his points.

I agree BigStick. Plus when you are driving for a job you get to know your way around, you learn the route and the speed limits and where the speed cameras are at least

I have a guaranteed method of never getting any points, It's worked for me for years AND there is nothing the courts or Police can do to stop me getting away with it, everyone who drives for a living should know about this trick.

You know what it is though, I DON'T BREAK THE SPEED LIMIT.....dont tell anyone