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to think this was a bit over the top

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cuteboots · 17/12/2012 09:20

Ok so saturday tried to go xmas shopping with my 9 year old son. Whilst standing in the queue in boots there was a lady behind us with quite a bad facial disfigurement. My son looked at her and then looked away however she obviously didnt like this and said in a really loud voice " here we go again im getting gawped at" She then said to my son stop staring at me! Was I wrong to pull her up for this and say that he wasnt being rude and was just a normal little boy and he didnt mean to annoy her?! My son left the shop really upset bu this and kept saying " I didnt mean to be horrid mum"

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nailak · 17/12/2012 16:37

no mrsdv, people are unsure what to do when they see a disabled person, they dont want to look and then be accused of staring, they dont want to not look and be accused of thinking they are distasteful, so they pretend they havent seen them.

So what should we do? Should we look? or should we not look?

obviously we should say hello the same way we would to anyone else, that is if we would to anyone else,

MurderOfGoths · 17/12/2012 16:41

"Nah I think she was rude and very defensive. I'm sure she gets stared at a lot by people but she could actually try and change that by educating young people."

Maybe she doesn't want to be responsible for educating young people.

LRDtheFeministDude · 17/12/2012 16:43

She was obviously upset, so why not just apologize? You'd apologize if you stood on someone's toe - it's an accident, you didn't mean to, but you hurt someone. So you say sorry. Same thing here IMO: your son may not have intended to upset her, and I can understand why he started. But he upset her by mistake so he could just say sorry and leave her to worry about whether or not she wants to go around shouting about being gawped at.

SweetMingePie · 17/12/2012 16:44

If you saw your child staring you should have told him I was rude.

The woman shouldn't have talked to your child like that, but for all you know he could have been the 20th person to do that that day and more than likely the final straw.

A bit of empathy wont go amiss op.

MrsDeVere · 17/12/2012 16:47

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cuteboots · 17/12/2012 16:52

Mrsdevere- Im not sure which world you live in but its not the same one as me and people arent as nice in the one Im in maybe you could use your reading material to educate people as well as me

threesocksfullofchocs- Still sensing some aggression here ; 0 )

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Narked · 17/12/2012 16:56

'It was very a very bad disfigurement and hence he stared at her as I think most people would have done even an adult.'

Wow.

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MurderOfGoths · 17/12/2012 16:57

Back to the OP, of course YWBU to have "pulled her up on it" Hmm The polite response would have been to apologise for any offence (intentional or not)

Yes, her reaction was rude, but you were rude back.

Also what's with the telling her your son was "just a normal boy"?? What was that meant to infer? That it was normal/acceptable to stare and she should just suck it up? That he was going to stare at someone who wasn't "normal"?

All you needed to say was sorry, and move on.

Narked · 17/12/2012 17:00

I'd hoped this was a troll but it's a long time poster.

nailak · 17/12/2012 17:00

they would be like that in the first place as they didnt want to offend accidently.

"Worried you might be staring?
It?s ok to be interested in someone?s face, in fact it?s normal. But imagine what it feels like to be stared at every day. Just be sure you?re not too interested."

is that not what the boy did, looked and then looked away?

threesocksfullofchocs · 17/12/2012 17:02

op you are being rather childish.
your son was rude, you asked in AIBU
people are not all going to say "oh bless him"
teach him some manners. job done

quoteunquote · 17/12/2012 17:02

this will out me,

when my eldest(now in his twenties) was about five, we had been having chats about being careful what we say in front of other people, and if we notice someone who has something different about them,

we have a lot of friend and family with disabilities, and he had friends that have disabilities,so he was use to spotting differences, but because he is on the autism spectrum , he tended to give a running commentary on what ever he was thinking, we had to work on his awareness.

so we decided that when we were out and about if he spotted something that he wanted to talk about and it concerned a person, he would squeeze my hand, I would have a quick look, and we would chat about it later,

this worked really well, usually it was about clothing, how tall or short someone was, an endless source of fascination as his father and step dad are exceptionally tall,so he always wanted to compare, and his best friend is a dwarf, and has family members who are also dwarfs, so there was a lot of, that person wasen't as tall as daddy, that person wasn't as small as Joshie's daddy,

One day in a rush, just finished uni, picked him up from a friend's, realising there wasn't a bean in the house,I hand't had money for weeks, just made it to the supermarket which was half an hour off shutting, (we live in the sticks), I grabbed a trolly and started filling up with essentials, and in the aisle ahead there was a woman,

this women was clearly going through a difficult time, she was very very large, had little hair, was wearing a sort of nighty, she had tubes coming out of one arm, she was wheezing, and she clearly had some sort of colostomy bag, and pouching system, as well as the most extreme smell,which was over powering,she had a lot going on (my mum had just been through a similar situation, so it wasn't unfamiliar to him)

as we passed her, he squeezed my hand, I was really pleased, when we were far enough away down the next aisle, I bent down and he said, talk about it later, i said well done and he smiled, we turned into the next aisle and she was coming towards us, quite an overwhelming experience for him, so he squeezed my hand,

Each aisle we went down, she was coming towards us, even when i skipped a few, lots of hand squeezing.

we went to pay, there were only two tills open, I joined the queue, she arrived and joined the other, as I was packing my bags I glanced up, DS1 was watching the people in our queue behind us, looking at this woman who was putting her shopping on the conveyer belt ,her back was to our queue, the man behind us, realised a small boy(DS) was watching him, looking at this poor woman, and a look of total embarrassment went across his face and he quickly looked away,

Just as I was handing over my money, I heard a little clear voice say, "Don't worry, that's the big smelly lady, me and mummy are going to talk about later". DS was trying to reassure him it wasn't wrong to notice

There was no hole to jump into, I apologised and left. we had a long chat on the way home.

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Galena · 17/12/2012 17:05

So we've gone from My son looked at her and then looked away
to Unfortunately a 9 year old little boy is going to stare and I think this was quite normal. He did look away really quickly and then hid behind me
to and hence he stared at her

So he stared? She got cross. And rather than apologise and be seen to berate your son, you pull her up for this and say that he wasnt being rude and was just a normal little boy and he didnt mean to annoy her

I agree that maybe her comment was brusque and not terribly polite, however, you didn't help matters with your response.

Onamincepiebreak · 17/12/2012 17:12

OP, hope your son is not to upset by the experience.

I feel for someone who is stared at day in, day out, but I'm sure your son meant no harm. I'm sure she gets comments and looks and I'm sure if your son was a teenager in a group she wouldn't have dared spoke like that! IMO, people tend to snap at someone, less, um, intimidating, for want of a better word.

And I agree with you, even well mannered children and adults look.

nailak · 17/12/2012 17:13

i definitely think adults wouldnt stare at someone that looks different, although I understand children may do a double take and ask questions and be curious.

quoteunquote your ds was obviously very observant, I have a friend with a ds with sn and facial disfigurements, my dd(5) is oblivious to them, and doesnt know what im talking about if i ask "have you noticed anything different about xx"

madmouse · 17/12/2012 17:14

Thing is - if you have a facial disfigurement, or any other reason for people to stare at you, you are probably saintly patient and understanding 90% of the time, helping people understand and thinking oh they're just kids, but just occassionally you do not want to be stared at. Forgiveable and understandable no?

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OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 17/12/2012 17:43

The woman was rude. Your son was being a curious 9yo, and yes, of course he shouldn't stare, or look for too long, but no ones perfect. We all make mistakes.

A 9yo making a mistake is a lot more forgivable than a grown woman having a go at a child.

Peachy · 17/12/2012 17:45

A. She was rude and unkind.

B. She was probably tired or just edgy.

C. She didn;t know whether ytour son ahs ASD (like mine do, and stare) so disability rights is quite complex in this

D. people get crabby at Christmas- have some mulled wine and let it go.

Peachy · 17/12/2012 17:47

Oh and the proper response for necxt time 'Oh I'm sorry, have a nice day' to lady, then turn around to son and say. 'it's not nice to stare'- sorted.

Peachy · 17/12/2012 17:48

Mrs DV I don't think ds3 would get it tbh, doesn;t have much of a working memory. BUT I do make a point of talking about diffeerences and explaining LOUDLY to him so people get it, even using signing at times (it does help) to reinforce to him that he must not, and to anyone else that ehre is a kid who is far from NT

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