To think the Duchess of Cambridge has no place in sports personality of the year

[Nishky]

Martina Navratilova made a moving speech about female role models so who do they roll out to present it?

Irrational and tunnel visioned hate filled diatribes are always fascinating....

I've got a vision of a poster almost snarling and spitting as they type because their anger is so palpable. I suspect they have ishoooos...

Imagine this exchange:

Nutter: "Oh, how brave of Osbourne to make the August statement. He must have been so nervous, poor lamb. He works so hard for us'

Normal person: 'Are you joking, he is protecting his own interests and those of his ilk. The pompous git'

Nutter: 'Oooh, you are so jealous and bitter. I may not like Osbourne, but you know, he is working sooo hard for us. He has our best interests at heart and selflessly does his duty for us and his country. Did you see the blue suit he had on? He has such gorgeous eyes. He looks lovely!'

Do you see how asinine that sounds? This is how MN threads on the royals go...

Flatbread, I think you'll find if you read back through my posts that I haven't said anything remotely like that.

Plus your example is politically loaded.

All I've tried to say is, I wish people would stop having a go at Kate and saying that she was making up her illness/criticising her appearance/clothes/hair etc.

I haven't speculated on her feelings, only suggested what my own might be, and I stand by what I've said.

Besides which Osborne is a pompous git.

And he isn't ill.

Or pregnant.

It would be fascinating to know how many of the critics of the Duchess of Cambridge and the Royal family regularly spend any time doing any charitable or community work and how much they have raised for any charity in the last 12 months? I hope their work is extensive - it might make up for the total lack of charity, kindness or compassion in what quite a lot of them have written on this and other threads which touch the Royal family. You only have to see the vast sums which are raised by the Royal connection for charities and the work of such organizations as the Prince's Trust and the Duke of Edinburgh Awards Scheme as well as the amount of time devoted to charitable events to see how hard many of their critics would have to work to begin to compete. I suggest that until they do at least a tenth of what one of the senior Royals does in this area they should keep their comments, and above all any whining cattiness, to themselves.

With the exception of The Queen - who I think has done enough to earn a bit of my respect - I don't particularly give a shite about any of the royal family.

However I've never seen any evidence to suggest that the Duchess of Cambridge is the vile, selfish, nasty, work-shy, illness-faker people on this thread seem to have her down as.

I am not a royal sycophant, just merely failing to be nasty to her, Flatbread, and thinking of her in a positive light until information gives me cause to think otherwise. Maybe you should try it sometime.

Also have had friends who have been very ill in pregnancy and I would say anyone is very brave to appear on television after they have been so ill. It's just a bit of empathy really.

Let's look at Osborne again...

Media concentration on his trousers. Pictures focusing on his socks. Magazine articles analysing his style. Hairdressers passing their opinion on health of his hair. Trichologist announcing that his hair is a sign of emotional trauma. media obsession with his younger brother. He's admitted to hospital and a media circus forms. Journalists try and get access to medical staff to divulge titbits of gossip. The public pontificate on whether he really is sick or just malingering. ( Well I had tonsilitis and never was admitted. I took antibiotics and got better. He's paid and got himself admitted. Can't really be ill because I saw him working in parliament the week before )

His fault?

I dislike the media obsession. I dislike the whole royalty hierachial system but this is an individual being slated for far more complex reasons than her role in life

slhilly I use 'Waity Katie' since Kate has been called that by the media for years (well before the full ten years ended with a result). I see no need to park myself in any camp: pro women, anti women, left, centre or middle. That seems unduly restrictive. Kate did wait, doing nothing of note, living off her parents. Very nice car too. Have you seen it? So 'Waity Katie' seems apt, not perjorative particularly. If she'd done something with her time then of course the term wouldn't be apt and I wouldn't use it.

LtEve: Zara Tindall indeed :) Now ths may be too deep into semantics but I'd love you to explain, if you can, the distinction (which must be fine) between somone who is thoroughly unpleasant and someone who merely behaves in a thoroughly unpleasant way from time to time. The latter is according to you not necessarily thoroughly unpleasant but possesses the attributes of someone who is and rolls them out as and when?

LtEve why would you 'be pleased' to hear what a couple of waitresses thought about Will and Kate? Their opinion would hardly afford a 'reputation'. Why 'be pleased' unless you're a sycophant? And why on God's earth would you care what they ate ('their favourite meals on the menu!') unless you were an arch sycophant? This stuff beggars belief.

Cat I certainly do a tenth of what a senior royal does if their input is accurately measured at 100 full days a year (which was what one poster measured it as on another thread). In fact I do far, far, far, far more.

Nancy. Work shy to me seems an appropriate epithet to describe someone who graduates from a reasonable university with a reasonable degree and is perfectly healthy but then drips around town at clubs etc and turns up at weekends at whatever army camp the boyfriend is posted too and lives in excessive comfort (clothes, holidays, cars) off her parents' back and not only fails to be gainfully employed but also fails to turn her hand to charitable work on any meaningful scale. For ten years. In her prime. And this, because she 'needs to be available' for the boyfriend.

So bad. But hey, you all clearly think different. That's fine :)

Apologies for the multiple posts. Technical issues.

CabbageLeaves indeed. And you haven't even mentioned the scrutiny of weight.

Posted to, not too. Oops.

I just really wish she would do something with her highly unique and privileged position. She's presumably not stupid, and having gone through private schooling, must be relatively articulate.

She could be a wonderful role model for girls, esp in these days when someone like Tulisa is seen as a role model, but a year and a half on, I know she likes wedges, wears a lot of lace, has very shiny hair and sunbathes topless, but have very little idea of what her voice sounds like.

I think that's very sad.

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LtEve why would you 'be pleased' to hear what a couple of waitresses thought about Will and Kate? Their opinion would hardly afford a 'reputation'. Why 'be pleased' unless you're a sycophant? And why on God's earth would you care what they ate ('their favourite meals on the menu!') unless you were an arch sycophant? This stuff beggars belief

Because the 'waitresses' were my DSD and her best friend. I'm always pleased when people are nice to people I love.

Celticlassie. I'd agree with that. I have a friend who is a SAHM who I feel the same about though

Life choices

Do you comment on her hair, weight, role in life and bitch about it though? No nor do I

I respect her choice. She's lucky to be free to make it. Many cannot.

Yellowtip, that's remarkably honest of you, but also tells me I have no wish to engage with you further. If you truly think that other people's wrong actions are a reason for you to act wrongly ("the media have been using a pejorative nickname for years so I'll do the same"), and you see no need to identify yourself as pro-woman (as opposed to anti-woman!) because you see that as "restrictive", well, you are not someone I want to discuss things with any more. Those views are just fundamentally repulsive to me. So beyond this message, I shan't reply to you.

I'd much rather come across as an arse licker or sycophant, than a bitter, judgemental, woman hater.

Absolutely absurd to feel that one has to be any more pro or anti women than pro or anti men. I've always dealt with people as individuals and I'll continue to do so. I don't see any need to belong to a camp.