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To not like this Idea of a new multicultural Britain

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monkeyfarm · 12/12/2012 10:55

I suspect this probably won't go down too well but I'm just being honest as I'm interested to see if I'm the only one who feels this way?
I hate how things are changing, how I can be in a store feel like I'm in eastern europe, why are we one of the only countries that do this? why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way?

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PoppyAmex · 14/12/2012 18:29

Exactly, Cory.

I don't think the cultural differences between Germanic/Scandinavian countries and Eastern Europeans are that glaring for example, but when I hear what people say about Polish immigrants I can only assume the prejudice lies somewhere else, Cote.

As for Pessary's comment about British "expats" not claiming benefits in other countries... I just had to laugh.

Mayisout · 14/12/2012 18:33

I'm not sure it's race, or colour, but more religious differences.

So the Swedish/ germans etc follow Christianity or nothing in the majority so don't feel like a threat.
Arranged marriages, covering women from head to toe, female genital mutilation, belief in only one religion etc is what is scary and makes me not want lots of immigrants with those beliefs.

But it's religion not colour, so should, for example, the large catholic influx insist on banning abortion, not happening, just suggesting it could, then the incomers beliefs are becoming dominant over the original residents.That is what makes me apprehensive of high levels of immigration, surely people shouldn't come here unless they can accept our existing laws and beliefs.

Taking pork off the menus of schools. I can see that that is reasonable for the many muslim children but then might the next thing be separation of sexes at puberty or some other religious requirement, where does it stop.

gordyslovesheep · 14/12/2012 18:38

AND JEWISH - why is pork ALWAYS a Muslim issue ???????

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers · 14/12/2012 18:42

It's interesting (and correct me if I am wrong) but you need to have lived and paid taxes for at least 5 -if not more- years in order to get benefits, I you are from outside the EU.
Whereas the time period is much less if you are from within the EU.

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers · 14/12/2012 18:43

mayisout I see your point.

GrimmaTheNome · 14/12/2012 18:48

Pehaps because - whether pork is there or not - we are seeing Halal meat on school lunch menus but I've never heard of the same for kosher? I think observant Jews seem to manage this sort of thing for than anyone else needing to adapt. Similarly with Hindus - there is beef on most menus, the Hindu children just choose the vegetarian alternative instead.

I'm not saying whether accommodating various groups is right or wrong, just

GrimmaTheNome · 14/12/2012 18:48

..just somehow posting too soon...looking for explanation of 'AND JEWISH - why is pork ALWAYS a Muslim issue ??????? '

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers · 14/12/2012 18:49

grimma the moment other people have to start jumping through hoops and bending backwards is I think the point where some legitimate irritation arises.

extracrunchy · 14/12/2012 18:51

Wow. Bigot.

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers · 14/12/2012 18:52

extra who is?

Mayisout · 14/12/2012 19:04

I don't know - is pork a more rigidly held belief for Muslims than for Jews. I have known Muslims who won't eat anything that pork might have been 'contaminated' by eg food from neighbouring plates. Do Jews believe the same?

alemci · 14/12/2012 19:07

yeah who? bit strong to say that. sounds like sensible discussion.

GrimmaTheNome · 14/12/2012 19:12

Some Jews take it very seriously; others less so. Same with Muslims. You can't generalise.

I suppose that for centuries the Jewish people have had to live within other cultures, all too often not at all welcome ... put it in that context, I'm rather glad that we do make some accommodations for minority religions nowadays.

wordfactory · 14/12/2012 19:16

There are about 270 000 jews living in the UK. There are about 2.8 million muslims.

Not suprising then that the impact of the later is greater than the impact of the former.

alemci · 14/12/2012 19:16

yes the jewish people have had a rotten time in europe over the centuries.

cory · 14/12/2012 19:25

Mayisout Fri 14-Dec-12 18:33:08
"I'm not sure it's race, or colour, but more religious differences."

So how come black people of African or West Indian descent get such a hard time; they are often Christian, many even Anglicans, and do not usually try to impose their culture on anybody else?

Mayisout · 14/12/2012 19:26

They don't get a hard time from me.

wordfactory · 14/12/2012 19:29

cory some people are racist, of course.

But that doesn't mean that people who have an issue with immigration levels per se, or an issue with some aspects of multi culture are racist...if that's the case then Ed Milliband has just joined te BNP.

PoppyAmex · 14/12/2012 19:42

"But that doesn't mean that people who have an issue with immigration levels per se, or an issue with some aspects of multi culture are racist..."

True, it doesn't mean they aren't either.

And judging by the OP and several posters on this thread, it can often mean that's exactly what they are.

extracrunchy · 14/12/2012 19:49

I meant OP.

ouryve · 14/12/2012 19:54

fancy foreign Biscuit just to annoy the OP.

racingheart · 14/12/2012 20:03

I've genuinely never understood how anyone can think they own a country and have some say in who can and can't live in it. One world. We're all the product of intermingling and migration. Every single one of us.

Who wouldn't move to avoid persecution or starvation or war or ethnic cleansing or poverty or zero social services? Who wouldn't come to Britain to make use of our fantastic, best in the world health service and our free education? Why shouldn't other people have this too? Who says it's ours? When did it become ours?

I don't even think it's racism, I think it is gross stupidity. OP look into your own ancestry, then slice yourself thinly and post the parts back to the various countries they came from. Or live and let live.

Mayisout · 14/12/2012 20:28

Surely I own a house in the uk, I have always paid taxes in the uk, as have my parents before me.
it's gross stupidity to open the doors of this great country to anyone and everyone imo. Believe me the ones who arrive on our doorsteps are not generally the poor and needy - but instead the ones with some money and clout in their own country to get the required visas and air fares to get here.
The ones whose bribery got their child into the best university. The ones who were the political yes men to whichever corrupt leader ruled their country.

They're the ones we will let in first in a free for all. And once they're in are they going to welcome the havenots, most probably not.

Fluffybumblebee · 14/12/2012 20:28

(I am a long time lurker and a first time poster)

I am an immigrant.
Disclaimer: I am highly skilled, pay taxes, volunteer, respect police, teachers and doctors and a country I live in.

I can understand, why some people dislike immigrants that come to Britain to abuse the system and live of a country that they have not contributed to. As I am angry with them too. But I can also not understand people who are British, able to work and live off benefits all their life and not contribute anything to the system. I believe that both these groups of people are equally bad and should be either forced to work or all state support should be taken away until they start to contribute to the society that they live in. Benefits should be a safety net and not a lifestyle choice (wherever you come from).

It is often easier to blame others than look at what you are doing wrong or where you could improve. Because I have now been living in Britain for more than a quarter of my life I feel that I know where Brits are more likely to fail in a global economy and globalised world.

First of all it starts with education and schools (and I have worked with quite a few).

While visiting British state schools I have noticed that children are given less homework than their peers in European countries (where children would normally spend 2 to 3 hours doing homework.

Another big problem is the way that languages are taught in this country. Children are mostly taught basic phrases that they would need if they went on holiday to France, Spain or Germany, but with that amount of second/third language they would struggle to work in a job where multiple languages are needed (this is a requirement for more and more jobs, as companies open multiple offices around the globe).

Third big problem lies within teachers' inability to interest children in science, maths, IT, geography and history. Instead of encouraging children to be scientists, IT programmers, doctors, lawyers, dentists, economists, historians, politicians, children are encouraged to be creative and artsy and dream about being in a media business.

There is also a lack of imposition of a hard working culture to children from a young age. What you call "pushy parenting", we call "parenting". Children not only do lots of homework, compete in olympiads, but often (up to 5 times a week) attend art, music, sport school, where they have to do homework, take exams yearly and are expected to give performances and attend competitions. I find that in Britain there is this fear of criticising children (we all probably heard about children getting medals even if thy came last) and was surprised when a teacher I know told me that she is not allowed to criticise children to parents.

For example I know couple of young Eastern European immigrants, who both want to go to highly rated universities in Britain, but can not afford this at the moment, so they chose to work for two years in a factory, packing chocolates for 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week (for a minimum wage), live with 4 other people in a rented house and save whatever they can so they can go to university in a two years time.

(Talking about unskilled immigrant labour)
I know of a farmer who lives near-by, once he mentioned to me that he loves immigrants, because they have very strong work ethic and even if the job is unskilled and the pay is low (he is paying his Eastern European staff the same as British staff) they do that job with pride and devotion. He, unfortunately, did not say the same about his unskilled British staff, who would turn up drunk, late or would not turn up at all.

I love Britain with all my heart, as it is my home at the moment. But I am just so tired of verbal abuse I get just because I speak with an accent and constantly think maybe my contribution to the economy and the society would be much more valued somewhere else.

exoticfruits · 14/12/2012 20:30

I agree with racingheart-everyone's family was an immigrant at some point. The more multicultural the better IMO.