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To not like this Idea of a new multicultural Britain

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monkeyfarm · 12/12/2012 10:55

I suspect this probably won't go down too well but I'm just being honest as I'm interested to see if I'm the only one who feels this way?
I hate how things are changing, how I can be in a store feel like I'm in eastern europe, why are we one of the only countries that do this? why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way?

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RedToothbrush · 12/12/2012 16:57

I said this earlier this afternoon on another thread in response to someone commenting that racists were dim:

dreaming, I do think its a bit of an assumption to say that racists are too dim to appreciate logic.

The worst racists in history have been the ones with the intelligence to actually use logic and science to try and back up what they believe. (Trying not to invoke Godwin's Law here)

In my experience, racists are more likely simply not to have been exposed to challenges put to them in a way that they don't find threatening and aren't directly confrontational. People tend to be less open to ideas, if they feel they are forced on them or they feel that it takes something away from them. They also tend to go along with everyone else they are around rather than question things themselves without others to also support those questions.

People are by their nature selfish, and often look to others for failings in their life. People look for targets, without logic and then build the logic around it, until it becomes 'fact'. The easy target is the one that everyone else in your community blames and its difficult to break that cycle. It takes time and is difficult because an attack on that idea becomes an attack on that community too.

And clipped comes out with these two gems^:
I'm not being difficult at all Red I have stated what I can see not about ratios concerning other countries. My livelihood has gone down the pan due to immigration and so have many other working class friends of mine.

This is what I have witnessed, I don't need to look at charts or statistics.

Blinding me with statistics is not going to change what I see with my own eyes.

Followed by:

I also don't give a gnats arse about the good of global economy, I care about putting food on the table and clothing on the back of my child.

I rest my case.

OneLittleToddlingTerror · 12/12/2012 16:59

MrsDeVere maybe the racists here are refering to my in-laws? Wink They went to NZ to steal kiwi jobs 30 years ago. FIL had an accident at work and have been on and off benefits most of their lives. They are now retired, drawing NZ superannuation, disability benefits and housing benefits. On top of that they are also using a lot of public healthcare as they are both on multiple long term medication.

In case you haven't clicked, they are both (white) British for as far back as they know.

OneLittleToddlingTerror · 12/12/2012 17:00

Oh and they love their Britishness so much they never got a kiwi passport, and still hang around with other Brits.

DoingitOnTheRoofTopWithSanta · 12/12/2012 17:04

^why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way? ^

The aboriginals would probably disagree with you about Australia not letting in all and sundry.

EmpressOfTheNorthPole · 12/12/2012 17:17

Yes, Australia's a perfect example of somewhere that should have had immigration control a LONG time ago! And the US for that matter.

tethersjinglebellend · 12/12/2012 17:19

Arf at 'New multicultural Britain' Grin

If you'll pardon the pun, that ship has sailed. Britain has been a multicultural country for decades now.

Anniegetyourgun · 12/12/2012 17:30

Ah well, let's look on the bright side. At least it's immigrants getting the blame this time for, er, immigrating, instead of women being blamed for taking men's jobs/pushing up prices or people in wheelchairs being blamed for wilfully existing. Equal opportunities bashing. Whose turn is it tomorrow?

ClippedPhoenix · 12/12/2012 17:32

So are you calling me a racist Red? Because i have spoken about the sheer number of people flooding into England? Are you calling me a racist because I have lost my job due to people using cheap labour?

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wordfactory · 12/12/2012 17:32

Well I like multiculture. Its more interesting. And I don't feel it in any way impinges on my own life and culture. However to laud it unthinkingly is as facile as denigrating it outright. There are some problems that we ignore at our peril.

MrsDeVere · 12/12/2012 17:33

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Anniegetyourgun · 12/12/2012 17:37

Well of course it brings its own problems, wordfactory . If it's got people in it, it's going to be complicated.

ClippedPhoenix · 12/12/2012 17:43

I have stated what has happened to me and a lot of my working class friends. You are very welcome to come and see for yourselves and speak to these people.

Funny enough I live in an affluent area we have a fair few fee paying schools around here and I really don't see many different nationalities coming out of the gates.

Mass immigration is hitting the working class and low paid workers hard, it doesn't seem to be affecting middle and upper. I wonder why that is? Cheaper labour?

RedToothbrush · 12/12/2012 17:53

Mrs DV I agree with you to a point but I disagree with you on others. I do think that there are intelligent racists out there. Pride has a lot to answer for and never let the truth be the hinderance of a good argument. (And references can be found to this if I were to invoke Godwin's Law)

As for NG being intelligent. Na, never thought that. Plus he's always lacked any level of charisma and charm.

Not to mention I've actually read a BNP election leaflet and laughed not only at their inability to use the english language, but also at their inability to use spell check and get someone to proof read it if they were aware they struggled with english, before allowing it to go to press with errors in double figures.

When it comes to intelligence, you are better looking at elements of UKIP for racism (and not all UKIP members are racist before we go down that inevitable route).

sieglinde · 12/12/2012 17:56

Clippedphoenix, did it ever strike you that you were put out of business by the workings of capitalism? Yep, that's how it is - some guy starts up a competitive business and undercuts you.

Did it ever occur to you to work longer hours for less and undercut them? Do more with less, as the private sector normally requires? Because if they provide as good a service at far lower cost, why on earth shouldn't people choose them? Why grumble?

Ok, I have to say here that Brit tradespeople are not exactly world-renowned for their diligence and expertise... and nor are our factory workers, alas. Globalisation is a wake-up call, and high time too. Nothing is forever. Get a move on.

Jins · 12/12/2012 18:02

I've got huge amounts of sympathy with people losing their jobs ClippedPhoenix but you are targeting the immigrant workers for blame rather than the shop owner who is probably in breach of all sorts of employment regulations.

I know of a few businesses that have been undercut and are either struggling or have gone to the wall and I really do sympathise but if a rival employer is not paying properly and not complying with working standards then it's the employer at fault and not the workers. That's nothing to do with immigration. It's entirely to do with someone seeing an opportunity to make money out of other people

ClippedPhoenix · 12/12/2012 18:05

I am not saying immigrants are at fault here I am saying it's our greedy system.

If I lived in a country and knew mine and my childrens lives would be made better by immigrating I would do just that.

RedToothbrush · 12/12/2012 18:09

Immigration is the problem.

Not the education system.
Not employment legislation, regulation or enforcement.
Not the inability of some businesses to be able to react and response to change.
Not the attitude of some elements of British society.
Not the pressures of a global market and international business.
Not the decline of the trade unions and protected markets.

Nope its them damn foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs.

No one talks about the brain drain from these countries and how that effects whether they come from and the opportunities available back home.
No one talks about the opportunities for Brits to go abroad and set up businesses there if they have the brains and wherewithal to do so.

Nope its those greedy scrounging foreigners.

Yawn. Make it as simple as you like from what you "see with your own eyes". I personally think we should find solutions to medical problems and conditions using the anecdotal approach rather than using boring old evidence and research.

ClippedPhoenix · 12/12/2012 18:09

So please fuck to fuck off and beyond with the racist comments.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 12/12/2012 18:10

"I've got huge amounts of sympathy with people losing their jobs ClippedPhoenix but you are targeting the immigrant workers for blame rather than the shop owner who is probably in breach of all sorts of employment regulations."

This is true. Where I live lots of jobs in areas such as fruit picking and warehouse work are now being done by immigrants. This is because the employers get around employment rights and the minimum wage by taking them on as self-employed. So, not only are they leaving huge numbers of local people on the dole, they're also exploiting the workforce they do have. It's the employers people should be angry with, they create this situation because they're only too happy to use loopholes to get around paying a decent wage.

ClippedPhoenix · 12/12/2012 18:12

Our open door policy or whatever you choose to call it is the problem, the sheer number is the problem.

What's the saying, the rich get richer?

MrsDeVere · 12/12/2012 18:14

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SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 12/12/2012 18:16

"Our open door policy or whatever you choose to call it is the problem, the sheer number is the problem. "

We don't have an open door policy; it's actually quite difficult for non-EU citizens to get permission to live and work here. Also, the number of immigrants isn't really the problem. Dodgy employers would still exist if we banned immigration tomorrow, and they'd just find ways to exploit the people who remained. The lack of unions, and the diminishing of employment rights is the problem.

Jins · 12/12/2012 18:17

As I've already said once today I'd prefer all our home grown BNP racist shitheads to fuck off somewhere else.

ClippedPhoenix · 12/12/2012 18:18

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