To not like this Idea of a new multicultural Britain

[monkeyfarm]

I suspect this probably won't go down too well but I'm just being honest as I'm interested to see if I'm the only one who feels this way?
I hate how things are changing, how I can be in a store feel like I'm in eastern europe, why are we one of the only countries that do this? why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way?

Just a small point regarding Godwin's Law:

Godwin's law applies [...] to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis. The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies, if that was the explicit topic of conversation, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate

So, mention away

You make a very interesting point there saskia and I agree with you but the sheer volume of EU immigrants has them rubbing their hands with glee.

My family on my mother's side goes back to the Norman conquest. Would the OP have me booking the ferry to Le Havre?

TBH I doubt you would find an English person in England from about 1700 onwards, everyone has always escaped to England - apart from when people were escaping from England

I think it is what makes England so special and I am proud to welcome other nationals to our shores

ClippedPhoenix I would discuss what you've just said, but as you've been so rude to MrsDV, I don't think I'll bother.

It always amazes me that people who don't like other nationals flooding in to England - well they would be happy to move on to another country so what exactly would that make them....?

Im forcing no-one to collude with me. I'd just like this to be a healthy debate for once without people throwing in the racist card or becoming all smug with their wordy put-downs.

And yes, what you and others have done does make me cross.

ivykaty44 That's very true! I'm into genealogy - you don't have to spend much time studying English family history to realise just how many people are descended from immigrants and asylum seekers.

I felt that MrsD was rude to me also, I was just far more plain speaking.

Jins Wed 12-Dec-12 18:17:00
As I've already said once today I'd prefer all our home grown BNP racist shitheads to fuck off somewhere else.

Interesting stat for you reported in Nov 2011

In 2010 emigration of British Citizens was at its lowest for 10 years with just 339,000 people leaving the UK.

Matt Cavanagh, of the Institute of Public Policy Research, said: "The figures remind us that it was a mistake for the Conservatives to choose 'net immigration' for their overall political target.

"The figures confirm that net immigration in 2010 was the highest on record. Not because immigration is rising ? as the ONS makes clear, it has been stable since 2004 ? but because emigration is falling.

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/24/uk-net-migration-record-high

Ironically, as I've discovered when looking at moving abroad, ten years ago I would have been eligible to move abroad to several countries who have since changed their immigration policies making me not longer able to.

Damn all those foreigners coming over here taking all our jobs...

Racism needs to be challenged though. There have been examples of racism on this thread. It's not throwing the racist card to challenge behaviour or language that is racist.

MN is full of casual racism. Every week we get a thread that demonstrates how racist our society is.

Once again everyone wafts off on history etc. I'm was actually talking about today, the problem of mass EU immigration in 2012 and what it is doing to the average joe bloggs. Unfortunately it can't be discussed due to the pressure aimed at anyone challenging this to be made to shut up.

hides thread

wow how chippy are you Clipped?

Did you all enjoy the xmas bash by the way

I don't know what makes me want to vomit more about threads like this, the casual reflex racism of one side or the nauseating "I rejoice in our wonderful diversity because I'm so fucking clever and marvellous" smuggery of the other.
There is indeed value in diversity. There are also problems, when some of the values and attitudes of the new communities we develop do not chime with beliefs of the indigenous population. As for example, the Dutch are finding with numbers of muslim immigrants being far less tolerant of homosexuality than Dutch society has been for some years.

Bye Clipped - I see history is like facts - something you choose to ignore.

Off to a committee meeting at Sea Cadets actually.

History is damn important when looking at trends and patterns in migration and looking to the future to predict future patterns and set policy in immigration and foreign policy.

But lets ignore it in addition to doing research in the form of anecdotes.

face palm

Oh before I go, i'd take my face out of MrsDeVeres backside mail, you may be able to see more clearly

To be fair, a thread about immigration started by a poster called monkeyfarm was never going to be an intelligent debate...

Who is the average Joe Bloggs? Why attribute the pressure on jobs at a certain level to immigration? What about the employers - the companies who are shutting up shop and moving factories and production to other countries for taxation / economy reasons? This is why this discussion is flawed. Those arguing that it's all down to immigration don't want to think about "the wider world / economy" and so will never consider that there may be reasons linked to "the wider economy" which have very little to do with immigration.

And what about - at another level - people not born here who are getting jobs simply because they are better qualified / have more experience?

And none of that is historical!

And as for tolerance of homosexuality. Er... yes Nick Griffin is indeed fully embracing of this. Famously so.

In fact, why the fuck have I come back to argue social basics?!