To not like this Idea of a new multicultural Britain

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I suspect this probably won't go down too well but I'm just being honest as I'm interested to see if I'm the only one who feels this way?
I hate how things are changing, how I can be in a store feel like I'm in eastern europe, why are we one of the only countries that do this? why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way?

Haven't read the thread but crikey, what a lot of racists there are on her at the moment.

We are overpopulated in England now due to immigration. I'm not talking about the world here Red and you know it.

I'm off now because this will all just go round and round in circles and give me a migrane.

If you haven't read the thread then how can you comment Jamie? It's people like you that incite just what you portray not to with stupid comments like that.

Oops, sorry wrong thread :( I'll ask for it to be deleted.

If the problem is overpopulation, then that's probably just as much to do with people living much longer than they used to. If people would do the decent thing and kick the bucket once they've stopped being economically active and contributing to our tax base, we'd have a lot more room and not have a load of people draining the country's resources with pensions, demands on the NHS, and free bus travel. Time for a Logan's Run-style policy where anyone over 65 is knocked off?

It's not really an "idea" is it? Nor is immigration particularly new. What depresses me more is the fact that some people remain utterly unenlightened in an age of advancing science, awareness of our ancestral roots and easy travel. Is the UK overpopulated? Is that down to immigration? Are people not living longer? Are we having too many children? Is that the main cause of our financial and social problems?

Actually I cannot be bothered to argue it. I'm assuming you're not happy with your lot - you wouldn't otherwise be looking for someone to blame. Sorry about that mate.

Nice name by the way. Not racist and deeply offensive at all.

Clipped I'm well aware of that, but you are being deliberately difficult and making assumptions. What percentage of immigrants coming here are male versus female? And how many are permanent or temporary. Thats an important consideration that should not be wilfully ignored.

Just looking at Japan, which has very little immigration, we should be mindful of the effects of simply closing the door. If we have overpopulation problems then lets look at whether its confined to Europe, or whether its widerspread? And as soon as you start doing that, it does matter what the birth rate in the UK is, if overpopulation elsewhere in the world is far worse and places are unable to provide basis health care, sanitation and food. The biggest drivers of emigration are the same throughout the world. And the people who are most against immigration in this country have a tendency to also be the same people who are against economic aid to other countries (even if it is deliberately targeted at things which reduce pressures that force people to leave where they come from originally). The emphasis is about keeping people out rather than stopping the desire to leave in the first place.

If we have an expanding ageing population, we need a working age population to support that too. There will be an optimum population size in relation to its age, but as the population continues to age you need to continue a certain level of immigration to balance that until the age at which humans live to stablises.

As for overpopulation in the Uk. Have we reached it? No I don't believe we have. I think we often have poor allocation of resources and don't reuse what we have well enough because we have grown used to a wasteful society rather than adapting more quickly and effectively as the population continues to grow. To me over population is when you can no longer feed the population (and whilst we are a net importer of food we still have the means to feed the entire population well) and we could better use the existing land we have a lot better without encroaching on the countryside. Its more about our lack of willingness to look for solutions rather than there being a problem that is crippling. Crippling would be a situation like Japan with too few young to look after the ailing old.

here's a thought OP

you are probably concerned because you fear that at some point in the future there will be no-one like you, and the Britain you know and love will have changed.

yet the one thing certain is change - Britain is going to be different. there will be people who are similar to you, but not the same.

I'm not being difficult at all Red I have stated what I can see not about ratios concerning other countries. My livelihood has gone down the pan due to immigration and so have many other working class friends of mine.

This is what I have witnessed, I don't need to look at charts or statistics.

Blinding me with statistics is not going to change what I see with my own eyes.

I was somewhat intrigued when someone (JeanValjean was it?) earlier referred to acceptance of multiculturalism as Marxist. Can't remember Marx having a lot to say about immigration, either for or against, can you?

I also don't give a gnats arse about the good of global economy, I care about putting food on the table and clothing on the back of my child.

Op, you are not alone. No one I know feels cheerful and upbeat about multicultural Britain. We had no choice in the matter and now if you dare question it, or are not falling all over the idea them you are a nasty little racist. Cheep shot IMO and a trick labour has been using for years to stifle any form of debate.

Where should we send my dnieces back to then? Their great grandfather was Norweigan, Great Grandmother was Spanish, Grandmother is from Trinidad, Grandfather is Irish and Father is British. FFS.

Well said chipstick10.

Some people are just not in the real world or in total denial.

Clipped I asked before, but you won't answer:

What do you think about British immigrants in other countries? Because there's more British people in my country than vice-versa...

Should other countries close their borders to you?

I do agree with someone further up thread who said that even immigrants can be racist. I used to work with a polish bloke who couldn't 'understand why England was allowing so many brown people in?'. The irony was lost on him. Another example, doing some voluntary work I came across an eastern European lady who was very upset that she had been housed near a black family. 'but why put them near us?' she screamed, ''we are all European and white and they are from abroad'.

Racism exists in many forms and across all cultures, and forums. It's sad that we seem to be regressing with our attitudes rather than making advancements with regard to this issue.

Fuck off troll and fuck off Laurie

I read the first page, first few posts and thought here we go, don't drag Australia into this British shit.

Cuntish Laurie indeed.

You have nick griffin and co to join you.
I don't understand...not at all...how you and others like you think like this. How??
Do you really want to be like Australia. Either you are worryingly naive or amazingly like the BNP people..

Ethnic minorities make up 20% of the population, your not dcavtly iverrun op. Take a leaf out of Australia's book? What marginalise the population then repopulate through mass immigration?

I'm second-generation British (on both my paternal and maternal line).

Am I allowed to stay in the UK?

Just wondering, because if I leave presumably I would need to leave my children and grandchildren here.

My families on both sides spoke about how they were hated and abused when they arrived in the UK too. I had rather hoped that was a thing of the past by now. Obviously it's not.

Don't know if Ireland could cope with the numbers that would be sent back though, if some people had their way and removed "the immigrants". The disapora is rather vast.

"This is what I have witnessed, I don't need to look at charts or statistics."

If you're not willing to look at facts and figures then your perception is only as good as mine - which sees the positive aspects of immigration and what it's done for the economy where I live. So who is right?

sigh. If people aren't chatting over the garden fence anymore, it's likely to be down to the fact we have a different lifestyle now. More TVs, more computers, game systems, iPads, etc. Not as many children skipping hoops down the street and all that.

Also, more people work now. Even if I wanted a chat over the back fence, no one would be home for it.

I can't claim to truly understand the mysteries of UK society, though, as I've only lived here 5 years. My own country was invaded settled by British immigrants a couple hundred years ago. Some of them were my ancestors. Does that mean I've re-immigrated? Does it matter?

I like to think that people are free to go and live where ever they want. YABU.