To feel sorry for the Australian DJs?

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Obviously more sorry for the nurse's family. I wonder how long she was having suicidal thoughts for? I can't think this could have been the only cause,

But these pranks have been going on for such a long time and those DJs could not have predicted such a result and are going to have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

It's such a tragedy and I feel very sad for all concerned.

Yes. It is just like that. I am not sure I have ever been a point so missed Shelly. It is not about political correctness. It is about cruelty. I am not sure what I can add other than if I repeated my long post from.earlier.

Shelly, not everyone's as robust as you.

Quite likely this poor nurse - described as conscientious and deeply caring - was probably feeling humiliated, ashamed and possibly felt she had let her family down - as well as her employers. Who knows if her kids had received teasing because of her innocent error? Anything could have happened - and whatever you or I think, it would appear that Jacintha felt so cowed and so low after this shitty, moronic stunt that she couldn't face anyone.

Fucking stupid DJs.

Some people just like to dive right into a hole and keep on digging, don't they?

Thanks I am over it, have been for a few years and NEVER want to go back there! I refuse to!

I agree Kim.

I would have thought shelly that after being in a dark place you'd have some empathy for those not as strong as you.

Apparently not.

I think anyone who's been in a dark place both understands and has reason to be grateful for gallows humour.

This thread has taken an ironically bullying turn.

Erm just because someone reverse gears it doesn't retract from the hurtful stuff they've already said

It doesn't get much darker where I am and no I don't appreciate that sort of humour.

Soz.

Shelly what was the need in that, unless you are deliberately trying to stir a reaction out of people now you are being shown to have incredibly weak arguments on this.

Usually when people start throwing insults like that, its because they can't think of a proper intelligent response. Perhaps when you are able to articulate one you should try again and debate it properly.

But then you are trying to defend the indefensible.

Truth is even the vile British Press wouldn't have put something like this on this pages as a 'prank' - they would do it to highlight flaws in security, but they wouldn't do it to just laugh at.

So if you are being more repellant that our press or agreeing someone in that position you should probably be looking in the mirror and asking some rather hard questions of yourself.

I don't agree with your viewpoint Shelley but I do agree there is little point in flogging a dead horse. We can all agree to differ without getting personal surely ?

Oh, bloody hell.

If people cannot take it, then don't dole it out. The DJs who are now 'fragile' and being counselled etc - well, hmm. Hmm fucking hmm. Too bad Jacintha's welfare or state of mind wasn't given one crumb of thought (apart from to make more milage from their actions). Makes me so angry on behalf of that bereaved family.

Sorry Nigel I'm a little touchy where suicide is concerned.
Funnily enough.

Who is being bullied here?

All I see is someone's viewpoint being disagreed with. This is debate, not bullying...

You could argue that people who have been through family grief having humour directed at their experiences are being treated rather badly.

Hasn't this already been dealt with in another thread? MN posters described how they had made mistakes at work, which they still feel tormented about years later. I think even somebody with superb mental health and no ishoos could be made to feel very desperate over this. I'm not sure I could cope. I freak about a typo. Poor woman. I feel choked every time I see her face in the news. Not so much sympathy for the DJs. In fact none. How can you be able to broadcast without consent when it's not, in any way, in the public interest.

Indeed London

Yes it is somewhat ironic that the DJs are getting plenty of support in the form of intensive counselling etc.

I wonder what support Ms Saldanha was offered. Not that it necessarily would have made a difference, but it might have.

I can't believe that the hospital didn't have a password set up for the D of C. When we have a media-interest victim/offender in hospital (I am police) eg. Murder victim all agencies and family have a password that they quote to be allowed access to information about then. All medical staff know that anyone wuithout the password doesn't get info.
I actually don't think anyone comes out of this well - the hospital for failing to have proper procedures in place, the nursing staff who breached the DoC's confidentiality, the DJs who have boasted about it or the radio station who should have declined to play such an obviously explosive piece of "pranking"

Londonninja You are allowed to disagree with me. I don't particularly like having my intellect called in to question though, esp. not over a viewpoint that can't be proven or disproved.

Everlong, I was not actually referring to you

I think it's quite likely that whatever their protestations the hospital were getting ready to hang her and her colleague out to dry, rather than take responsibility, as they should, for failure to maintain proper procedures to deal with this sort of risk. That would, unfortunately, be pretty standard procedure for that type of institution, in my experience. No hospital ever willingly assumes responsibility for any failing, unless the gun's being held to its head.

There was an interesting article written by Steve Penk (British Radio DJ who made his name doing prank calls on Key103 and Capital Radio amongst others) and the future for prank calls on yahoo.

He reckons this will effectively end the practice. But the thing that struck me was he sort the permission of those involved BEFORE broadcast.

I don't like pranks at all, and always avoided listening to Penk as I hated what he did. But I do see that its a lot better to seek permission before broadcast to minimise distress and legal issues to all concerned.

So when all is said and done, just this simple thing could have stopped this result.

However I rather suspect there was a bloody good reason the radio station didn't go down this route. They knew it would be refused... and that to me is where the line between joke and not a joke clearly needs to rest if you have a target in this way. Its one thing to crack an anti-royal joke, but quite another to go to lengths like this that involve the presence of third parties that are completely innocent.

I was a little hmmm about the lack of a password too..