to think "not liking needles" is not a good reason for a pregnant woman to turn down whooping cough vaccine?

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There may be other reasons I'm not aware of to turn it down but for the lady I met at baby and bumps group today to be turning it down for this reason seems foolish and selfish.

I've seen a small child with whooping cough abroad. Its very distressing and I'd do anything reasonable to protect children from it.

So AIBU to think that turning it down just because you don't like needles or injections is wrong? I'm so glad DS (18 weeks) has now had the full course of early vaccines which included whooping cough

you also didn't answer the question.

I had whooping cough as a child - so badly that I ended up in hospital with a collapsed lung and was off school for nearly two months.

However, I would still say YABU, because what someone else chooses to do or not do with their own body is absolutely none of your business.

Phobias can be overcome, I should know - I've got one.

For the health of my child I would overcome the needle phobia.

And the OP didn't say anything about her having a phobia actually. I've seen women make excuses like 'oh no i dont like needles', not a phobia, just a dislike so doesn't have the injection.

I have a friend who is so terrified of needles, she can't even hear the words needle or injection without freaking out
I understand this, even though some will find it silly. There are words associated with my phobia that I hate hearing, they make me feel sick and shaky. I used to physically throw up and cry, but I've had to condition myself to get over it. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to do my studying :(

Never been called sanctimonious before. Oh well. ghostship you are wrong - they apparently can't be overcome - I have tried my best to talk about my own history but was obviously never phobic and dont know what I'm on about

FFS this is ridiculous.

A phobia is an irrational fear. Its can not be overcome because someone says so. And to say so it can is actually really shitty.

I have overcome depression, doesn't mean everyone can do it in the same way.

I have never seen so much smugness with all the 'i could do it for my child so you should' shit in my life.

Butthis - then I guess we're the odd ones out then! I am phobic, anyone try to tell me I'm not can go and eff themselves. I was 7 when it first manifested, I started crying and screaming, couldn't stop shaking. I had dreams about it too. Was awful. BUT if you put your mind to it you can get over it. The human mind is a powerful thing.

It is ridiculous isn't it. perhaps agreeing to disagree may be the adult thing to do! I got over them. Others may find it harder.

A phobia is an irrational fear. Its can not be overcome because someone says so. And to say so it can is actually really shittY

Sorry, but get a grip. We all know it's an irrational fear. Don't you think I know that, I've been ridiculed and laughed at and told I'm stupid. But people CAN get over phobias, they're all in the mind.

Oh and I've got depression too, it doesn't compare to be honest. Depression is not something I can yet overcome.

I didn't actually call you sanctemonious. Just offering a reason why she might just offer a throw away line when asked about something that is no one else's business.
This thread just evidences why random strangers should be told as little as possible

But

Would you like to cut and paste where I said any of that?

I said that just because YOU have overcome a phobia in a certain way does not mean everyone else can.

Nor did I say that phobias can't be over come. But that everyone's situation is different so you can't say 'well you because i did'.

It was actually you who claimed there is no reason be have a phobia of needles anymore. As thought because you have overcome yours everyone should have.

Its the most bizarre thing I have ever read.

well on mn anyway

And sorry, but it might be sanctimonious but I'd never put my child at risk. I'd be doing everything in my power to overcome it. Self help, hypnosis, conditioning(like I did). Whatever. I'd try it.

Oh and I've got depression too, it doesn't compare to be honest. Depression is not something I can yet overcome.

Yes I have had depression too. I got over it, so should you.

It can be done I am proof. Thats your argument?

I think YOU need to get a grip tbh. Because on one hand you are saying it phobias are all in the mind and can be just got over. But you can't get over depression? Thats doesn't make sense.

And i have not said phobias can't be resolved.

Ghost do you want to read the thread and see what I have tried? Perhaps.

Depression is completely different, I'm not sure how you can compare it if you've suffered from it? Very strange.

Depression can come and go, as you should know. It might not be that you've overcome it, it could just have gone away.
Where you medicated? I can 'overcome' it with medication.

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I have needle phobia, I always vomit and once I bit a dentist.

I don't think I can overcome that phobia, but I have forced myself to face it for my children. I take someone with me and warn the nurse, I am bloody proud of myself afterwards, even if covered in sick.

How would you live with yourself if you let an irrational fear put your baby at risk?

ghost has it occurred to you that this woman didn't fancy going into her reasoning with some random women?

What if she has decided she does not want to vaccinate. If so she may feel that she is putting her child at risk by vaccinating.

Has she have started sputing the reasons she is against vaccinations it would have been awkward and most anti vacs I know don't want to push their decision onto anyone.

^I have needle phobia, I always vomit and once I bit a dentist.

I don't think I can overcome that phobia, but I have forced myself to face it for my children. I take someone with me and warn the nurse, I am bloody proud of myself afterwards, even if covered in sick^

Honestly, I don't want to sound patronising, but well done. Shows the love people have for their children.

brady - we aren't talking about that though are we, we're talking about someone not having it due to a needle fear.

Ah. Maybe sanctemonious was the right word after all.

I ahve been medicated in the past.

With my GP (who is amazing) a strict exercise regime and diet, hypnotherapy and complimentary treatments. I have not been medicated for 6 years.

Unfortunatly so far these steps plus cbt have not helped the phobia and he has in fact got worse. Does that mean I have stopped trying? no i am still trying. Like you are with depression.

And yes one day, we both may overcome these issues.

I compare them because they are both mental health issues. The charity MIND have been excellent.

No. We were talking about someone who 'said' they had needle fear.
They might just not want to spill their guts to a stranger.

ghost read the thread. Even the OP suggests she may not know the whole story. I am putting forward that it possibly may not have been the reason, but that she felt uncomfortable to say.

I hope to god people are not around when you make a parenting decision 99% of people would disagree with and witness it.