to think this 'concept' is bloody ridiculous not to mention dangerous and to ask if anyone else would like to give some feedback?!

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The Bottle Bib - for those who don't have time to sit and feed their baby

They have a questionnaire inviting feedback. Please do join me in giving some

It's not a case of just not liking the product, it is downright dangerous

Mai Can you not see the difference between personal preference and pointing out a product puts babies at risk?

Also, it's got sod all to do with it being a woman, and I don't see why people should let her get on with trying to sell a dangerous product just because she's a woman! That's such a patronising viewpoint, almost as if you are saying, "she's a woman and it's hard for women to start businesses therefore we should go gently with her because we can't possibly hold her up to the same standards as men". Did you mean it to sound so sexist?

I challenged the brainless twat inventor of it on Twitter. She responded by blocking me. Says it all really.

I didn't brush my hair for about 18 months after dd was born, and I then had ds 16 months after that, and he was prem so i lost all sense of what day of the week it was. Did she never consider the danger of tying a bottle to her dc with a cord?

I blogged about it too, but fully expect her to ask me to remove it. She strikes me as having more money than sense.

Lazy, selfish parenting. Whatever next?

My point is that there is a way to communicate all those opinions, without being so rude...and being constructive.

I do not anticipate that any sane person would sell a product they know to be dangerous to babies...especially since the implications of such a decision are much worse that whatever the profit is intended.

References to her as a 'brainless twat' and other such unnecessary descriptions are both unhelpful and unnecessarily condescending. And I also feel such harsh judgment aimed at those who decide to purchase the product-I am not one of the ones who will be buying it- is also unwarranted. Parents will always do what they feel is best for their children. Our comments should therefore reflect that, and bear in mind that behind that business is a person.

Before hurling abuse at the business/persons behind it (abuse was left on her fb and twitter and MN... see brainless twat above) I think people should visualize someone saying those things to their own children/loved ones. I think its a disgrace really.

My comment about women, is around the fact that women have to be more supportive of women. By supportive I do not mean wave off dangerous inventions (for the record, I do not think there is anything dangerous about this product...with supervision) but that we have to be constructive. It really isn't easy for women in business to begin with-we have to contend with our own challenges in a male dominated world + be perfect mothers and wives.

And it takes major kahunas to start a business, and is not cheap either.

"I do not anticipate that any sane person would sell a product they know to be dangerous to babies"

Except she was.

"And I also feel such harsh judgment aimed at those who decide to purchase the product-I am not one of the ones who will be buying it- is also unwarranted. Parents will always do what they feel is best for their children."

So if someone let their kids play with bleach we can't judge because, despite it being dangerous, parents will always do what they feel is best?

"My comment about women, is around the fact that women have to be more supportive of women."

Why? I'll be supportive of whichever person needs and deserves support, regardless of gender.

Murder of Goths, you can justify it however you like. I will spell it out again.

1. I think the poor woman who owns the business has been repeatedly harassed, slandered and bullied, none of the accusations levelled against the product are based on anyone seeing/using the product.

1. Bleach's intended use is not for children (I just checked the bottle for double affirmation). Feel free to contact social services, police and an ambulance every time you see a child playing with it.

1. I am 100% supportive of feedback being provided. I will not apologise however for providing a more human and balanced perspective of what I perceive to be harassing behaviour. My point has been consistent. Be CONSTRUCTIVE and CIVIL in your criticisms.

1. There are multiple avenues of reporting 'dangerous' products outside of afore-mentioned harassment etc. One of which is trading standards. If you feel that this product is 'dangerous', then notify the seller-in a civil mature manner, and then contact trading standards. I believe that you will be surprised when TS's report comes back, considering you have pre-slated something before you get its official report.

1. Support whoever you feel deserves support. I assumed that you being a woman, meant you had a better appreciations about our emotions, challenges etc...but again, that is not to say only women should be supported.

Has the FB page gone?

I came onto this thread to say that this product looks dangerous, but now I've seen it was invented by a woman I'll change my mind as I can empathise with her being a woman and all.

The other products at least have the safety feature that the baby can spit the teat out. The proposed product is a terrifying forcefeeding object.

Calling the designer a brainless twat to her face/on her FB or Twitter where she will definitely read it is different from doing so here, IMHO.

And as for supporting her simply because she is a woman starting a business, which is hard, boo fucking hoo.

Excuse me Mal, you assume I was abusive to her on Twitter. I wasn't, she asked me, as a Blogger to test the product. I declined (shows how poorly thought out her research was as my dcs are 4 and 5). She then asked for my thoughts on the product. After reading her "dressing gown cord" statement, and the fact she places her own needs above that of her child didn't impress me (I'm a consumer reviewer who gets paid for my opinions usually so know what I'm talking about in terms of possible buyer feedback), and I told her it wouldn't be well received if she didn't change her site.
She then blocked me. Her call.
Whether when guides people to only use on older babies or not, you will have those who ignore it. We were always told never to leave a baby unattended whilst feeding, they can choke so quickly.
It's a vanity project. If you'd rather tale the chance to put your needs over bonding with your child, you really need to rethink whether motherhood is for you. I wasn't abusive to her but anyone who asks for feedback, then blocks someone strikes as a brainless twat.

InSancerre that book is my bible!

Mai, are you a namechanger.

So what if she's shut down twitter and facebook? This has to be the most stupid baby product ever EVER designed.

Is it really so hard to feed a baby by hand? Really? Especially since you are told right from the off that proping a bottle up for the baby to feed can be really bloody dangerous.

Stupid idea, stupid product. No sympathy whatsoever.

"And it takes major kahunas to start a business, and is not cheap either. " whihc is exactly why people should do genuine market research (and not amongst your friends) before launching a project asking for 'support' on the internet. The internet is as good at identifying critics as it is as identifying a market and a valuable opportunity. If you are launchung a product to SELL, for money, people will give their genjuine and spontaneous feedback, whether it is hating a piece of music, or a book...and look at the abuse Sinclair got, the successful and feted inventor of the first slimline calculators when he launched that car thing.

The public are the potential market, MN is the heart of the potential market, the whole of this thread has been a spontaneous reaction. No point anyone taking it personally, a good entrepreneaur will step back and have a rigorous evaluation in the face of people's reactions, BEFORE spending life's savings in starting production. This thread may have been pretty robust, and rude, but no one has had any vested interest in criticising it for the sake of it - we are not market competitors, for example. And if there is the kernel of a good product in this idea, it will thrive despite one thread on MN.

Alan Sugar is not known for being fluffy in giveing genjine feedback over initiatives, nor are the dragons in Dragon's Den. You need to be able to hack it if you are going to market products successfully.

Mai, since you mention social services- I wonder what they would think of the product?

It may be worth contacting them to find out... if a mother was being assessed on her parenting skills and used one of these, would it be counted against her? It is certainly a very risky prototype.

Well, that's what I'd say to the owner of the business if she were posting on this thread. Which she clearly isn't.

You may not have been abusive personally...but a lot of you have been.

I had a quick look at her fb and twitter when I saw this thread and couldn't believe what I saw. A few of you proudly boasted about the comments you made on her personal threads which in my opinion is trollish bully behaviour. And of course she can see it on MN, this is a public forum. I presume that you would have the same attitude if your child was publicly attacked on fb (as long as it wasn't her personal fb or twitter?).

No-one suggested that you support her simply because she is a woman...you should all feel free to ignore the essence of everything else I said, and miss the point completely (God, this is tedious).

The product explicitly mentions the need for 'supervision'. Fellowship, perhaps you too need to do your research?

Also like how no-one disputed the fact that the collective responses from MNs has been largely BULLYING and harassing behaviour. Just 1 person saying 'it wasn't me personally' and others justifying that behaviour...as the product is 'dangerous'.

My point about trading standards still stands.

The comments since my 1st post have by far been more constructive and coherent, and as I have a young son, and a baby girl on the way, I can honestly sleep easier tonight with a feeling that I stood up to bullying. I have nothing to gain from this. Just that hopefully people have a decent think about some of the things they serialise online. I would be mortified if my son/daughter wrote some of the things I have seen grown women writing, the tones and the lack of consideration in some posts. Yes, you may not agree with something, but be considerate, constructive and also sensitive in your feedback.

Good God.

Have only skimmed through the thread, but I would say that if you can't spare 10 minutes to feed your baby safely, you shouldn't be a parent.

Mal get over yourself.

I said, clearly, whatever advice is given, however big and clear it is on the thing it does not mean everyone will follow it There will always be people who leave their child unattended.
What is tedious is that it will obviously take for someone to not supervise while using this product (after all, what is the point of it if you have to sit there anyway?) and for their child to choke, before people like yourself and the inventor admit what a crap idea the thing is.
It suggests laziness. Whether it is intended to or not.

There is NOTHING right about this product, this website (WTF kind of name is that?!) or any of its products. Have you seen the pink knitted coat and hat? And blanket with boxing gloves?

All sorts of wrong is going on there.

Oh, do one.

It's a fucking ridiculous product that puts babies at risk. Only avfucking muppet would think it was a good idea. I would happily tell the creator (gender irrespective) to get face, if I wasn't preoccupied with vomiting over "Mumma and Bubba".

Why should people get all fluffy and head-patty when she is askibg for opinions on a contraption that could quite conceivably kill a baby? Really, why should they?

Oh. This thread looks interesting. Will read it now.

No sane person would sell a dangerous baby product

Bollocks, people who want to make money will. Just off the top of my head I'm thinking off all the baby product eBay 'blingers' who superglue gems logos ect on normal baby stuff they bulk buy from china then knock them out as quick as they can

Toy companies who import as cheep as possible to then find out they have done so from places that use lead paint.

Counterfeit products, one I recently saw was baby slings that were so badly made you couldn't use them but they were being sold as the real deal.

Loads of things like this happen its one of the reasons we have to have trading standards

Surely it would take just as long to fit your child into that ridiculous plastic body brace contraption as it would to just feed it?

And if there is nothing wrong with the product why did you feel the need to add into your post that you wouldn't buy it?

I happen to be quite proud of the fact that the huge MN backlash may well be responsible for taking this ridiculous and dangerous contraption off the market.

Fellowship, could you please be so kind as to tell me why, if a parent chooses to misuse a product (against product guidelines) it is the designer's/seller's fault?

If my little boy decided to use my iphone cord as a noose, should iphone stop producing cords? Children fall off changing mats all the time (not my own admittedly...but NHS stats suggest this is a common occurrence) should they also be banned from the marketplace?

I would like to hear from anyone who had their children taken into care, by social services for not feeding their children by hand..? Really? I am clearly missing something (sorry guys). I always assumed s/s had much more important work to do? Or so my mum who is one chooses to tell me.

If you believe there is a choking hazard, I am not sure I mentioned this before, but trading standards are there to test products etc for the safety elements. Perhaps before slating something, we should test it and comment from a factual POV.

To those who asked, I wouldn't buy it, because a) its not to my taste/preference and b) I don't see a need for it. See? No swearing/being rude/inciting others to leave abusive messages or comments on her website. I should give myself a courtesy badge.

Time for a kit kat break for me, methinks :)