Miss Dickson Wright - what a nasty vicious racist woman she is!

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Well she fits in very well with the DM ethos.

Disgusting person

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233958/One-Fat-Lady-race-row-Muslim-ghetto-jibe-The-Islamic-area-Leicester-frightened-says-TV-chef.html

Fair enough roll, you feel for 'men' (most of whom would be disgusted by you), and I'll feel for victims of racism and misogyny.

How can you dispute what Dickson Wright claims to have happened by simply saying ' I don't believe she saw what she said she did'? Were you there?
We shouldn't believe anyone based on your reasoning. If we weren't there and didn't see/hear it, it's a lie. Whatever it is.
Absurd.

Dragon, no, you are wrong. The men I know, do not feel disgusted by me, my best friends are men and so are my sons and husband. And my father.
Why do you hate them so much? Did something happen to you to make you so bitter? I don't want to take it any further as it seems you do have private reasons for believing what you do. I am sorry.

I hate racists and bigots. It is obvious why. This is not bitterness.

It is racists who are the haters.

Btw, I didn't say what you quoted. I see you enjoy lying as much as she does.

What a sad excuse for argument.

OK, I've lost you completely now. What are you on about?

Read the thread. It's very simple. Racism disgusts most of us, and attempts to defend it are likewise disgusting.

Rollmops
Her comments contain so many stereotypes that I think she saw what she expected to see which might not have been the same as what actually was happening.

I was once involved in a training exercise at the Hendon police training centre where they staged a crime then all of us witnesses had to give statements to the police cadets. The difference in people's accounts of the event was striking even though we all saw the same thing. e.g. the gun was covered with a green M&S carrier bag - no actually it was white and from a shoe shope etc.

So yes I doubt that her interpretation of what she was seeing was entirely correct because she had revealed certain expectations / biases in her other comments.

To blindly accept something said by someone who has already revealed a bias would be absurd.

shop not shope

ChazsBrilliantAttitude, your name fits your style .
We do not agree on many a issue here, however, your patience and willingness to explain your views is commendable and I applaud you for it. I'm sure it means nowt to you but if I have offended you in any way by my comments, I'd like to apologise.

Rollmops
Thanks for your post - no I am not offended in the slightest.

Rollmops why would you apologise to ONE person for your racist comments? If you think they're something to apologise for, maybe you should think about changing them.

larry I've no idea who you are, but I don't know why you're suddenly bringing feminism into the whole debate when it's not what we're talking about. Just the usual derailing crap that people like to bring into threads as if LRD or other prominent feminists on here have some sort of duty to explain their ideas to you.

Put your pitchfork down, Esme. I have made not one racist comment, why should I. I hold no racist views.
Then again, it's obvious you wouldn't know a racist comment if it bit you. Hysterical fingerpointing and squealing 'racist' every time you don't like someone's point of view seem more along your line; without any reasoning or valid argument to support your claim.

I only see one person squealing here, rollmops.

I don't think she's a racist at all. I drove through my childhood town a few weeks back, I felt very uneasy and it certainly felt intimidating. Why shouldn't people voice their opinions? It's so easy to brand people racists we are all scared of our own shadows. It's ludicrous.

Why did it feel intimidating chipstick? what made you feel uneasy?

to many 'dusky' types is my bet

I have worked in refuges and within the field of domestic abuse and sexual violence - I can give you men tales of white Christian males who oppress women ...I hate the patronising views bandied about when it comes to Muslim women

many - major keyboard issues tonight

I wonder if sometimes the issue is simply different body language. Arabic conversation styles can look and sound agressive to people not used to it. Lots of hand gestures and raised voices. I've nicknamed some of the people on the talk shows DH watch as "shouty men" because they remind me of the character in Horrible Histories. DH and his elderly aunt discussing a health related matter sounded like a major family row but was perfectly fine as far as they were concerned.

I wonder that too Chaz .

I am from the north of Scotland, we are not a smiley people and in England I am often accused of being grumpy. I'm really not, I just don't do big smiles and stuff all the time.

I also think some people are very quick to take a look as being a dirty look. My mum is ALWAYS thinking that such and such a person gave her a look, whereas I never see this happening to me. So much of that kind of stuff is subjective.

I agree Chaz. my ex was north African I used to tell him off for arguing with his mum. After living there for a while it rubbed off on me :) grannies over there are very aggressive think nothing of pushing you out of the way yet they are all so downtrodden

Even when some are made aware that other cultures language and mannerisms seem aggressive to ways of the english they do not want to change their mind it is already made up they know better

She may have saw what she saw, but she interpreted it in a different way then another may have interpreted it.

Sometimes I walk behind my husband, coz he walks faster then me, He is walking carrying one child, while I am not prepared to pick up my kids and carry them so would rather wait for them to walk slow.

I wouldn't turn around if a car beeped. However if I saw someone looking lost I will and I have approached them first to ask them if they are ok, where they are going etc.

I am born here, and speak English, have qualifications etc,

and yes I wear abayah, not niqab though.

None of us was there. It is too easy to dispute uncomfortable facts. There is no reason to believe that she was lying about what she saw. As for her "interpretation", I think that is how most people would feel.

Racism is, to my mind, where you believe that a race or nationality (as opposed to people who observe certain customs, behave in a certain way) are somehow inferior to you. There is nothing racist about expecting immigrants to attempt to integrate up to a point or to try and learn the mother tongue of the country in which they choose to live. There is also nothing racist about being against "multiculturalism". They are views about how all people should live in an adopted country. If I went to live in France, I would try and learn fluent French, send my children to french schools and try to integrate into french life. I would not live in an expat community and insist on speaking English all the time. It is perfectly possible to take the opposite view and feel that people have a free right to live in ghettos and speak their mother tongues when they immigrate. However neither view is morally superior and the former is not in any sense racist.