Miss Dickson Wright - what a nasty vicious racist woman she is!

[vivizone]

Well she fits in very well with the DM ethos.

Disgusting person

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233958/One-Fat-Lady-race-row-Muslim-ghetto-jibe-The-Islamic-area-Leicester-frightened-says-TV-chef.html

Shopkeepers are not dicks, all men are not dicks, the entire race that man belonged to are not dicks.

That man probably was, and I say probably because he may have been dying for a fagbreak/ shit etc.

Iranians really hated Osama and the feeling was mutual!

''Erm, roll, I fear she just might be taking the piss out of you ... what do you think an 'ethnic' person is?''

She probably tried, true. Doesn't matter though. Why are you trying to turn this into race issue, my old harpie?

roll.

Read your posts where you are claiming this is all about us calling CDW racist.

Read your posts claiming you're defending her.

Read your latest post getting all in a twist and moaning it's all not that, no no no, you've been misinterpreted.

The final option step: feel a bit of a dick for tying yourself in knots.

HTH.

Btw, you can also glance up at the thread title, if you want to learn why discussing racism might be a race issue ....

Not at all, old harpie, not at all.
Dickson Wright has every right to voice her opinion. I happen to share her opinion in this matter as have had similar experience.
Very simple, really.
You may go now, old harpie.
Pip pip

Yes of course I have had people "look at me funny", roll!

It's just that it hasn't happened especially often in Asian shops or areas. And yes, I am frequently in Asian shops and areas.

It has happened when people haven't liked my accent, when I've been into high street shops in my scruffy clothes, when my children have been loud in public, when I've tried to take a pushchair on a bus, when my teenager has behaved badly, when I've been selling things on a craft stall, when I've been on political demonstrations, and when I went to Morrisons wearing fairy wings!

I also spent a year living in South East Asia, and had a South Indian boyfriend, and was on the receiving end of abuse from some people who told him he shouldn't have a while girlfriend.

None of that has led me to make assumptions about what is going through people's minds when they 'look at me funny'. That last example did make me realise, though, how horrible it feels to be on the receiving end of racism, and to have people make assumptions about me based on my race.

And 'horrible' may be how CDW made people feel, in their own communities. :(

She's a racist, and you're proud to admit you're the same. Lovely.

flow - spot on, I agree.

I usually look at people funny but that's just my face. Nothing personal!

But there is a difference between a 'funny look' and that of a hatred. Once you've been in the receiving end of latter, you know the difference.

I have - but that was the mad (white) bugger who ran a corner shop near my mum. He did it every sodding time I had to go in there! Not sure what he thought I'd done or if he thought I was someone else.

Ssssh, frontpaw! We're only allowed to think 'ethnic' people look at anyone with hatred!

so you were able to tell that the shop keeper hated you, were the people who cdw is talking about not able to tell that she thinks she is superior as she made that very clear not only that she made assumptions about their character and how they treated family, white women and so on

if this was made clear in her manner towards them why should they have been polite

Not reading the link and don't have time to read the whole thread, but my BIL (who's white, Scottish,) has encountered Ms Dickson Wright in a work setting and says she is one of the most rude, overly entitled people he has ever met, who seems to think the words "thank" and "you" are reserved only for use with people she has deemed to be of equal status with her own good self - thus, very few people indeed.

I'm not the least bit surprised if she has made statements that suggest she holds racist views. It would be completely consistent with my understanding of her personality from my BIL.

It is sad that one persons reaction can effect anothers outlook in such a drastic way.

On the plus side there are plenty of positive and reasonable voices on here to make me feel that all hope is not lost!

LRD,

What becomes of "the feminist dragon" when ethnic minority customs are involved? You don't seem to want to comment on the burqa clad women walking a couple of steps behind the men.

Is it OK to condemn Western men for only doing 40% of the housework (for example) yet, when you see women truly oppressed, it somehow does not matter as to comment would be racist? This is a REAL example of the patriarchy on your own doorstep. Yet, somehow, the "R" word, particularly used as a tool to beat someone who writes for the DM up, trumps it.

Larry

I do question CDW's whole take on the situation. I wonder how many burqa clad women walking a few steps behind the men she saw? I work in an area where there are lots of arabs and consequently quite a few women with a niqab and I don't recall them walking a few steps behind the men.

There is sexism in all cultures including Muslim ones but that doesn't excuse the bigoted comments by CDW.

I dont wear a burka or walk behind my husband... these women do exist as a result of oppression and some misguided notion of what makes a good woman.

I wear a headscarf and my main motivation was my husband saying 'you're not the same woman you were when I met you.' You're damn right, im not 17 and I dont feel the need to be so sexual and attractive all the time!

I put it on and I feel as though I am in control. Sort of like if you shaved your head and people just stopped flirting with you. As a result, I dont flirt back and I am happier for it. My decision, make of that as you will.

Female oppression in whatever form is wrong. You would be wrong to assume that muslim women in general are not in control of their lives.

What a load of BS, Chaz, why are you evading the issue that larrygrylls voiced?
Or am I being racist for posting this?

larry, I think you are falling into your usual trap of assuming feminism is monolithic, but since you ask:

'What becomes of "the feminist dragon" when ethnic minority customs are involved?'

• Nothing. Why did you decide to pretend anything did happen?

'You don't seem to want to comment on the burqa clad women walking a couple of steps behind the men.'

• No. I commented on men and women of ethnic minorities being stereotyped by a white woman. Were we talking about women walking two steps behind their men? Where?

If we had been (which we were not), the obvious point is this: is it ok tobelittle women simply because they are oppressed by something other than misogyny?

Do you really imagine any feminist will answer yes?

• There we go: there is your answer. Look to yourself before you take make these women part of your anti-feminism.

'Is it OK to condemn Western men for only doing 40% of the housework (for example)'

• Yes, totally ok. Why would it not be? Do you think men should be doing less than their fair share?

'yet, when you see women truly oppressed'

• Oh, 'truly' oppressed. Did you mean to imply women are not 'truly' oppressed by lazy misogynistic men who don't do their fair share?

'it somehow does not matter as to comment would be racist?'

It matters. You're just failing to acknowlege misognyny and racism.

'This is a REAL example of the patriarchy on your own doorstep. Yet, somehow, the "R" word, particularly used as a tool to beat someone who writes for the DM up, trumps it.'

This is a real example of how bigots use any tool hand - racism, misogyny, whatever - to kick down those less fortunate than them.

Where do you get your facts? I am muslim. fact. I am not oppressed. another fact.
I dont know if you are racist but you sure as hell jump to assumptions based on race.

I like you LRD The Feminist Dragon... whoever you are.

Rollmops
I am not avoiding the issue. I just don't believe that CDW saw what she said she saw.

Yes some people are misogynists but to assume that all the followers of entire religion is misogynistic would be BS (to use your phrase) or that every man that comes from a particular part of the world is misogynistic. BTW DH is a muslim immigrant and he became a SAHD because I had the better job.